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boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Nov 17 @ 6:33 PM ET
Does anyone miss the old 4 on 4 overtimes? Bear with me, but having looked at the 3 on 3 overtimes, it would seem players are so extremely tentative and worried about making a mistake, that the amount of chances created are very small (which seems counterintuitive)

This compared to the overtimes last year, which were, for the most part, very exciting and fast, with a lot of end to end rushes (there didn't seem to be any players holding back and the flow of the overtimes was much smoother than the herky-jerky 3 on 3. And I feel the four on four created just as many - if not more opportunities to score.

Anyone else feel this way (and please note I mean this with respect to the entire league and not just Canucks)

- Zogg


I don't like 3 on 3 at all. I'm surprised how many knowledgeable fans are fooled into thinking it's fast and exciting.... I'm sorry but I see two teams of 3 with too much room on the ice... it doesnt speed the game up at all... everyone has time to hold the puck and slowly glide around playing keep away... I'm surprised anyone needs to do a line change because they don't seem to be getting winded at the end of their shift... but hey... people were told it was fast and exciting... good enough... it's fast and exciting
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Nov 17 @ 6:33 PM ET
Perry Solkowski?

Didn't Matt Baker just do producing and news updates?

Sounds like they are getting rid of the wrong people.

Was listening to Taylor, Moge and McDonald the other day and they were going all passive aggressive on each other. Had to turn it off when Moge started sounding like the most professional of the three.

- hillbillydeluxe

Think so
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Nov 17 @ 6:35 PM ET
I have nothing against ties. and would prefer it over the shoot out and 3v3.

Imagine if golfers who were tied at the end of a round had a longest drive competition to determine the winner of the match? a round of mini golf? or a little putting competition?

- hillbillydeluxe

Golf doesn't end in a tie either
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Nov 17 @ 6:38 PM ET
Yes, I thought I would love 3 on 3, but I actually hate it. There is too much of one guy holding on the puck, limiting the team sport. There was actually one OT where Hansen had the puck on his stick for like 20 seconds straight waiting for line changes and just twirling around. I would rather the game end quick and painlessly with a shootout these days
- WhiteLie



Exactly... if you can skate around with the puck for 20 seconds unchecked... then it's a complete farce.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Nov 17 @ 6:41 PM ET
One dimensional ha he plays forward and defence. Big skilled and can skate. Plays on the edge every game. He is exactly what this team needs if he can stay in shape.
-thundachunk

Yes he plays defense, on offense he stands in front of the net and screens a goalie. I'll challenge the skilled part and I think he's a plodder of a skater. And he does have a shape...it's called bulbous.

I know people have players they like over others, and for the skill-set Buff has and for the wages he's paid, I personally am not in favour, you watched him develope through junior and have a soft spot for him, and that's great but, hopefully he stays in Winnipeg.

- Makita


When I watch Buff I cant believe how fast he can skate for 245 pounds. He has a reputation of being very fast for his size. Strange...
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Nov 17 @ 6:45 PM ET
I think 3/3 is ending more games (as compared to last season) rather than the stupid shootout. But I hear you. I know we suck at 3/3 so far but really it hasn't been all that impressive.

Did you hear they are talking about eliminating icings on PK's to increase scoring as well??



Just have 10 min on 5/5 OT and if it ends in a tie so be it. Loser gets NO points!!!! As it should be for losing. It would barely affect the math of the whole situation and would eliminate the teams playing for 3 point games down the stretch.

- LordHumungous

This is a joke right. They can't be that stupid can they?
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Nov 17 @ 6:46 PM ET
This is a joke right. They can't be that stupid can they?
- Retinalz

Yes they can be.
WhiteLie
Referee
Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Nov 17 @ 6:51 PM ET
Exactly... if you can skate around with the puck for 20 seconds unchecked... then it's a complete farce.
- boonerbuck


Yup, too much space. Also don't feel like you should be punished from trying to create chances. A missed pass on a cycle play has the puck come back the other way with 2 of 3 players caught deep, so the other teams are just waiting for to capitalize on mistakes as opposed to generating the plays
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Nov 17 @ 6:52 PM ET
Yes they can be.
- VANTEL

Being able to ice in a PK is a necessity to a PK. Just make the rinks bigger and you will see more scoring. Also with Bigger rinks go back to 4v4.
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Nov 17 @ 6:53 PM ET
Golf doesn't end in a tie either
- VANTEL


Playoff holes sound similar to 5v5 ot... (not hitting from the women's tees or ball drop spot, no gimmicks. the playoff is a continuation of the game as it was being played to determine a winner...)

Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Nov 17 @ 6:55 PM ET
When I watch Buff I cant believe how fast he can skate for 245 pounds. He has a reputation of being very fast for his size. Strange...

- boonerbuck

Imagine a tank and a little luck for this but

Hutton-Buff
Chechyrun-Tanev
Sbisa-Bartowski
Pedan


Hammer traded TDL and Edler traded as soon as he waives.
WhiteLie
Referee
Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Nov 17 @ 6:56 PM ET
Buff is a demon on the PP both as a D and a F. Fix our special teams and we start winning more games.... we want our kids in a winning enviroment. He's big and physical as hell... which gives the youth more room. He has foot speed considering his big ass... he offers so many things hat it's hard to find something the Canucks don't need. With so many ELC's on our roster and with more to come... the hand wringing over money is unnecessary.

His inconsistency seemed to be an issue in MTL but he's been solid in the Peg.

- boonerbuck


I just dont think the timing is right for him to get max term with the team. I didnt mind the Miller signing because it would expire as the team was on the upswing, providing flexibility as they look to add to the new core in the hunt. With Buff likely getting 5+ years, I just hope there is confidence he ages like a Pronger/Neidermayer if the Canucks are thinking of adding him to the roster
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Nov 17 @ 7:03 PM ET
Imagine a tank and a little luck for this but

Hutton-Buff
Chechyrun-Tanev
Sbisa-Bartowski
Pedan


Hammer traded TDL and Edler traded as soon as he waives.

- Retinalz

I would rather

OReilly Buff
Hutton Tanev
Tryamkin Benn
Bartowski
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Nov 17 @ 7:06 PM ET
This is a joke right. They can't be that stupid can they?
- Retinalz

Not joking.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Nov 17 @ 7:08 PM ET
LA Kings prospect Patrik Bartosak brought up on 12 counts of domestic violence...

Wow the Queens are having a good run with the criminal element...
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Nov 17 @ 7:09 PM ET
This is a joke right. They can't be that stupid can they?
- Retinalz


There has been talk in the past about penalties lasting the whole 2 minutes whether the other team scores on not.
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Nov 17 @ 7:09 PM ET
When I watch Buff I cant believe how fast he can skate for 245 pounds. He has a reputation of being very fast for his size. Strange...

- boonerbuck


My personal opinion Booner, don't like him, don't want him, NHL.com has him listed as 260lbs and 30yrs old. So we need to rid the team of old guys to bring in youth on ELC, but people want bulbous boy at 7mil at 30+yrs old no thanks. I would be very disappointed if JB signed him, but the canucks are my team, so I wouldn't go all nucker if he did.
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Nov 17 @ 7:10 PM ET
I would rather

OReilly Buff
Hutton Tanev
Tryamkin Benn
Bartowski

- VANTEL

You mean Morgan Reily?
We OS him, i don't think we have the money for Buff, not if we are going after Stamkos, or Kopitar, or Staal.

Also will Tryam join us next season?
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Nov 17 @ 7:11 PM ET
There has been talk in the past about penalties lasting the whole 2 minutes whether the other team scores on not.
- hillbillydeluxe

That is a bad idea. We would let in more Shorthanded goals if they did that.
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Nov 17 @ 7:22 PM ET
That is a bad idea. We would let in more Shorthanded goals if they did that.
- Retinalz


LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Nov 17 @ 7:26 PM ET
There has been talk in the past about penalties lasting the whole 2 minutes whether the other team scores on not.
- hillbillydeluxe

Yeah I've been hearing that as well.
Zogg
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.16.2005

Nov 17 @ 7:42 PM ET
I agree that as a whole there are more exciting chances and if it wasn't November the intensity might bring me to the edge of my seat. But I have seen a few OT's around the league where teams are really cautious getting it started and that's the part that bothers me to watch. The amount of time one player holds onto the puck and turns back to regroup before starting the chaos, doesn't reflect good hockey to me, reminds me of watching the Timbits kids in intermission
- WhiteLie


agreed - there is simply no flow to the overtimes... whereas I remember last year there was much more fluidity and a lot more passing, resulting in some great odd-man rushes. As you pointed out, holding on to the puck forever and trying to do things individually is not the way to go, particularly from an entertainment standpoint.

P.S. my bad, I accidentally flagged you
vancity787
Vancouver Canucks
Location: My Parents Basement, BC
Joined: 07.14.2008

Nov 17 @ 7:44 PM ET
Yeah I've been hearing that as well.
- LordHumungous

Interesting idea. Would likely result in more free flowing action. But if you're a fan of big open ice hits (As I am) Expect that stuff to completely diminish.
CubanBuffet
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whine Country
Joined: 08.29.2014

Nov 17 @ 8:13 PM ET
I wouldnt be surprised of the Canucks insisted on it. I wouldnt agree with it but he was worse than some of our worse whiners when it came to the coach.

He spent an entire pre game show calling JB out for planning on starting Bachman over calling Cannanta up and starting him... after we won... he devoted the whole post game show on it still being a bonehead move in spite of the win. He's been ranting non stop over petty poop clogging up the air time non stop. He's worse than some of our pants wetters.

- boonerbuck


This is all true, but he's still better than Bro "did-you-know-I'm-the-champ" Jake.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Nov 17 @ 8:13 PM ET
agreed - there is simply no flow to the overtimes... whereas I remember last year there was much more fluidity and a lot more passing, resulting in some great odd-man rushes. As you pointed out, holding on to the puck forever and trying to do things individually is not the way to go, particularly from an entertainment standpoint.

P.S. my bad, I accidentally flagged you

- Zogg

Was that you last year or earlier this year, that was accidently flagging someone?
Do you have some form of 'HockeyBuzz flagging tourettes'?
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