No.
It does not make sense to make the nets bigger.
Should basketball hoops be raised as players have gotten taller and become better athletes and are able to jump higher? Of course not.

Reducing the size of goalie pads makes the most sense. If we can make bullet proof/shark proof vests, then surely we can make slim fitting gear that protects the goalie without making him look like the michelin man.
I take Millers point that this should not be rushed and the league should go through proper consultation/testing procedures, but for Fs sake, do not change the net.
That would skew all future scoring stats and be a terrible decision imo.
- dbot

The talk of slimmer pads makes me think of teams finding bigger bodies to circumvent the size concerns, which then leads me to this video of George Parros sniping on a sumo wrestler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP8ZVWiZUMA

Exactly, the new sticks and pads are part of the evolution of the sport. Some of the shots and saves made wouldn't have been possible in a previous era. Its to promote the entertainment.

As for changes, I mentioned this in a Down Goes Brown mailbag entry: I would like to see NHL become more lax on its arena size requirements. Baseball has it, and rosters can be built to play to the stadium's strengths (like load up on lefties at Yankee Stadium). If the NHL gave broader requirements, a team could have the max size ice surface and the GM could build the fastest team. A team with the smallest rink requirement might build a bulkier team. I think the character of the old rinks allowed for the comfortable team to success more, all we see today are familiarity with board bounces.
- WhiteLie

I've been on the larger ice surface bus for a while. And am not against slight variations in size as long as they are a little bigger minimum and with some sort of hybrid ice size maximums.

A larger ice surface would be beneficial to the game and safety of players. don't know what is taking so long.

The talk of slimmer pads makes me think of teams finding bigger bodies to circumvent the size concerns, which then leads me to this video of George Parros sniping on a sumo wrestler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP8ZVWiZUMA
- WhiteLie

Sports Science pits NHL sharpshooter George Parros against a Sumo goalie

I've been on the larger ice surface bus for a while. And am not against slight variations in size as long as they are a little bigger minimum and with some sort of hybrid ice size maximums.

A larger ice surface would be beneficial to the game and safety of players. don't know what is taking so long.
- hillbillydeluxe

Player safety was where I originally thought of it a few years back, but then I remember in minor hockey some of the teams we played were on Olympic sized rinks and other rinks were older/smaller, so every home and home would see drastic changes in scores because of familiarity with the rink and the style of game you had to play to adjust. I just think it would be a fun twist to know that Edmonton and their speed have a large rink, while LA plays it tighter, or Pitt has a wider rink to suit their playmakers, etc.

Sports Science pits NHL sharpshooter George Parros against a Sumo goalie
- A_SteamingLombardi

I don't want to see bigger nets, but the discussion around goalie equipment is as sensitive as a debate on religion. it would be easier to just increase the size of the net and continue to argue about equipment specs.
- hillbillydeluxe

Actually it wouldn't be. From a manufacturing perspective changing the net size rules across the globe for hockey would be a massive cost concern. It's more difficult than people think. Now you have literally millions of 4'X6' nets that are no good and they all have to be replaced to 4'2"X6'2" or whatever they are going to do. It is absolutely huge and needs to be thought through properly...but I do think it's coming eventually.

Goalie equipment is by far the way to go right now. Even in my Mens Hockey league there are guys that are 6'4" in net and you literally cannot see any of the net. Adding 2" or so each way to the net will change nothing until the equipment is dumbed down.

Great read on SN today on how we have been 'duped' by the goalies the past few years...
http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...ll-nhl-goaltenders-bluff/

Actually it wouldn't be. From a manufacturing perspective changing the net size rules across the globe for hockey would be a massive cost concern. It's more difficult than people think. Now you have literally millions of 4'X6' nets that are no good and they all have to be replaced to 4'2"X6'2" or whatever they are going to do. It is absolutely huge and needs to be thought through properly...but I do think it's coming eventually.

Goalie equipment is by far the way to go right now. Even in my Mens Hockey league there are guys that are 6'4" in net and you literally cannot see any of the net. Adding 2" or so each way to the net will change nothing until the equipment is dumbed down.

Great read on SN today on how we have been 'duped' by the goalies the past few years...
http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...ll-nhl-goaltenders-bluff/
- LordHumungous

I just cant read a Spector story.

No.
It does not make sense to make the nets bigger.
Should basketball hoops be raised as players have gotten taller and become better athletes and are able to jump higher? Of course not.

Reducing the size of goalie pads makes the most sense. If we can make bullet proof/shark proof vests, then surely we can make slim fitting gear that protects the goalie without making him look like the michelin man.
I take Millers point that this should not be rushed and the league should go through proper consultation/testing procedures, but for Fs sake, do not change the net.
That would skew all future scoring stats and be a terrible decision imo.
- dbot

Great point.

I'm with you leave the nets alone but I hate to say it as an Arena Operator I think it's coming. They'll start with equipment then when scoring drops 0.2% Bettman and his merry band of idiots will take a drastic measure.

I agree not to increase net sizes.... and agree that increased ice size is the way to go. Unlikely also that the lost revenue would not deter this.

However, Dbot I'd actually like to see a change to basketball net heights or even position. I can't watch it as it is WAYYYY too easy for these players to get baskets, hence the 138-136 scores....and I HATE the hanging off the basket which is retarded. If there was much challenge to it for these guys I'd watch....sports are supposed to be difficult and challenging.

remember the games in playoffs years ago where philly faced ottawa and also the pens which went 9 periods total and ended 1-0? Now THATS challenging!

Great point.

I'm with you leave the nets alone but I hate to say it as an Arena Operator I think it's coming. They'll start with equipment then when scoring drops 0.2% Bettman and his merry band of idiots will take a drastic measure.
- LordHumungous

Changing the size of the net would be very short sighted. It will only prove to fix scoring for a few seasons until the goalies adjust to the positioning/angles. Cant remember who mentioned it before (mightve been Miller actually), but there isn't any problem scoring 3-on-3, that tells you that the systems/coaching and style of play is too congested to get these opportunities. I think that aspect of the game needs to be taken care before net size changes. I am not opposed to some reasonable revisions to the goalie gear as I dont think it will have a major effect either

I agree not to increase net sizes.... and agree that increased ice size is the way to go. Unlikely also that the lost revenue would not deter this.

However, Dbot I'd actually like to see a change to basketball net heights or even position. I can't watch it as it is WAYYYY too easy for these players to get baskets, hence the 138-136 scores....and I HATE the hanging off the basket which is retarded. If there was much challenge to it for these guys I'd watch....sports are supposed to be difficult and challenging.

remember the games in playoffs years ago where philly faced ottawa and also the pens which went 9 periods total and ended 1-0? Now THATS challenging!
- SMBDragon

With the size and speed of the players I'm surprised this isn't brought up more. With all of the new rinks being built in the past 20 years it would have been a huge cost but it could have been done. Just add 5' each way length and width and that would be huge. I just can't believe how fast the game is now. When I sit at ice level in NHL games sometimes it boggles the mind how they can even make a pass with the amount of time they have to think out there. It's crazy fast.

Changing the size of the net would be very short sighted. It will only prove to fix scoring for a few seasons until the goalies adjust to the positioning/angles. Cant remember who mentioned it before (mightve been Miller actually), but there isn't any problem scoring 3-on-3, that tells you that the systems/coaching and style of play is too congested to get these opportunities. I think that aspect of the game needs to be taken care before net size changes. I am not opposed to some reasonable revisions to the goalie gear as I dont think it will have a major effect either
- WhiteLie

Precisely. Another great point.

I thought it was funny that it only took 10 games before he started thinking that bigger nets were the only way the team he inherited would ever score goals...
- Carol Schram

Bigger hearts would go a lot farther than bigger nets

in protest of low scoring, I predict final score of 28-26 for Ottawa
- Lostinarink

Ottawa is a bad team I say 28 -0 for Canucks

With the size and speed of the players I'm surprised this isn't brought up more. With all of the new rinks being built in the past 20 years it would have been a huge cost but it could have been done. Just add 5' each way length and width and that would be huge. I just can't believe how fast the game is now. When I sit at ice level in NHL games sometimes it boggles the mind how they can even make a pass with the amount of time they have to think out there. It's crazy fast.
- LordHumungous

Olympic Hockey is often the most exciting hockey there is(not just because the best of the best play) Why not Olympic sized rinks?

In no way changing goal sizes makes sense.
C'mon goalie equipment is stupidly oversized.
Trapper is ridiculous.
Pants for an elephant.
Like Jamie M a retired goalie said its better to streamline the bulky blocking sumo look. Its not as much for protection than its for blocking in a box build.
Shoulders though r still not protected well.

Anyone know what will happen at this Burrows meeting? Do player agents attend, team rep- GM or union rep?

Can he be suspended, any sort of discipline?
- hillbillydeluxe

Burrows is French , Tomahawk Tootoo is Inuit. Burrows will plead that 2/2 didn't understand him because of his accent . They will ask him what he said. He will say I hasked him did ez brother like poisson? He taught I say did he like the poison.

The league will say Ahh I underestand.

Then Burrows will say " Tabernac dos drunk Hindians never hunderstand my accent and be suspended 3 games for stupidity.

Flyer fan coming in peace, I mean no harm......



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Jim Benning already declined my offer to join.



Thanks.

I've been on the larger ice surface bus for a while. And am not against slight variations in size as long as they are a little bigger minimum and with some sort of hybrid ice size maximums.

A larger ice surface would be beneficial to the game and safety of players. don't know what is taking so long.
- hillbillydeluxe

Nice trolling the Leafs there Carol. Good on ya son.

#obsessed.

Hey guys.
- walshyleafsfan

Are trolling and mocking the same thing? I am sure that was mocking , not trolling.

This isn't the first time we have heard people in the NHL say to make the nets bigger and I have no idea if this is the first time Babcock has said it.

I do think that Babcock is a very smart hockey person regardless of the fact he is coaching the Leafs now. Had this been Babcock saying this when with the wings would the comment be as easy to dismiss as sour grapes?

I think that bigger nets should be seen as an option, the reality is that goalies have gotten bigger as well as the their equipment to a large degree. Doesn't it make sense that the nets should be bigger as well ?

Goalies and the PA will fight smaller equipment or even standardized equipment and it might be easier to increase the size marginally. Will it be a shame to change something that has been the same for so long ?

Yes, but this is the reality of the evaluation of sport.
- belcherbd

You sure you're a Nucks fan?

Quick test. Do you blame Darren Dreger for early starts when the Leafs come to town?

Burrows is French , Tomahawk Tootoo is Inuit. Burrows will plead that 2/2 didn't understand him because of his accent . They will ask him what he said. He will say I hasked him did ez brother like poisson? He taught I say did he like the poison.

The league will say Ahh I underestand.

Then Burrows will say " Tabernac dos drunk Hindians never hunderstand my accent and be suspended 3 games for stupidity.
- VANTEL

too funny dude

With the size and speed of the players I'm surprised this isn't brought up more. With all of the new rinks being built in the past 20 years it would have been a huge cost but it could have been done. Just add 5' each way length and width and that would be huge. I just can't believe how fast the game is now. When I sit at ice level in NHL games sometimes it boggles the mind how they can even make a pass with the amount of time they have to think out there. It's crazy fast.
- LordHumungous

I dont believe they will diminish seating by 5'...thats an entire row. Unless somehow they manage to add more seating to the balcony area.
Personally I'd support adding an amount of slots to select areas to make up for the loss of revenue.

Burrows is French , Tomahawk Tootoo is Inuit. Burrows will plead that 2/2 didn't understand him because of his accent . They will ask him what he said. He will say I hasked him did ez brother like poisson? He taught I say did he like the poison.

The league will say Ahh I underestand.

Then Burrows will say " Tabernac dos drunk Hindians never hunderstand my accent and be suspended 3 games for stupidity.
- VANTEL

If Burrows was smart he would just play the French card back...say to the league that Tootoo was slamming his French heritage...oh what the hell am I saying...it's Burrows....
3 games for just coming to the meeting

Flyer fan coming in peace, I mean no harm......



Vancity787 told me last night that he has a lot of stuff going on right now and doesn't have time to be online much these days so I need someone to take over his team in the Canucks HB Hockey Pool for this year, and maybe beyond. PM me if you'd like the details, it's a pretty active league. Would prefer someone who has experience with hockey pools and has good knowledge of teams league-wide.


Jim Benning already declined my offer to join.



Thanks.
- Nucker101

You can't find anyone on the Flyer thread?