ovechkin
forsberg
nash
selanne
- KGBflyers10

I go Nash too over Kariya. Nash has never had a legit center but still manages to post numbers. Put him on an Olympic team and suddenly he's a standout.

Only one I debated was Ovechkin & Bure. I lean Ovi. More complete guy.
- Jsaquella

bure had speed to leave Ovi in the dust and a chip on his shoulder when necessary. that dude gave it everything he had. i loved bure. would take him every time over ovechkin.

I go Nash too over Kariya. Nash has never had a legit center but still manages to post numbers. Put him on an Olympic team and suddenly he's a standout.
- SuperSchennBros

Thanks.

Skill-wise, Nash has it all. Not sure about work ethic or anything like that, I'm sure it's good, but honestly I don't blame him with being stuck in Columbus during his prime years.

I do not think that Manning is a core player. Yes, and yes concerning Schenn.
- MJL

I view Schenn as a core player now but it took time. I don't view Laughton as a core guy but he's on his way. I'd like to see Laughton someday play the point on the Power Play.

Thanks.

Skill-wise, Nash has it all. Not sure about work ethic or anything like that, I'm sure it's good, but honestly I don't blame him with being stuck in Columbus during his prime years.
- KGBflyers10

kind of like Giroux right now?

I view Schenn as a core player now but it took time. I don't view Laughton as a core guy but he's on his way. I'd like to see Laughton someday play the point on the Power Play.
- SuperSchennBros

schenn is beyond expendable.

you've shared this story before. i didn't remember it was that particular game though. that could've been me. i used to care like that.
- hammarby31

The only thing that was more memorable to me was an older guy, who was racist as (frank). Hated Latinos, Asians, black people, Irish people, Jewish people...the gamut.

Anyhow, by his 5th or 6th N-bomb, I told him my wife was black. He didn't say another word to me for the duration of my job. I felt a lot better about pissing off that jag off than watching the other poor bastard ruin his tv

bure had speed to leave Ovi in the dust and a chip on his shoulder when necessary. that dude gave it everything he had. i loved bure. would take him every time over ovechkin.
- hammarby31

I enjoyed watching Bure more, but I think Ovi is better.

kind of like Giroux right now?
- nails

They're not really comparable.

Rick Nash went 1st overall and was considered a franchise player from day one, and at the age of 18 years old. He's a much better player than Claude Giroux.

Claude Giroux was not chosen 1st overall, and when he joined the Flyers full-time in 08'09 was not considered a 1st line center. It was only after two seasons later that the organization decided to build around him, which I believe was when he was 25.

schenn is beyond expendable.
- hammarby31

Someone made a point that a guy like Ryan Kessler and another name was posting less numbers that Schenn is now at the same age. They were a couple of great comparisons.

I would say Federov was as good as Datsyuk defensively, though not asked to do as much in that ridiculous dynasty, but twice the offensive threat - in particular a far, far better sniper.

I will take issue with Selanne over Kane. Selanne surely more skilled, better regular season numbers - but has never consistently produced and taken team to heights when he was supposed to be the primary scoring threat for playoffs. Kane is the Hawks biggest goal scoring threat, and everyone knows when he is on the ice - yet time after time after time he scores clutch goals. It was incredible last year to see how quickly he came back to form in the playoffs after that long injury gap. He comes in and right away becomes his usual ppg self, and scores clutch goal after clutch goal...

so if the goal is to win Stanley cup rather than President's trophy, I would take 88.
- PT21

Given their talents at their respective ages, I would never consider Kane over Sellanne. Sellanne didnt play with the talent that Kane has from the offset of his career.

bure had speed to leave Ovi in the dust and a chip on his shoulder when necessary. that dude gave it everything he had. i loved bure. would take him every time over ovechkin.
- hammarby31

His numbers don't back this up, but I seem to recall he became a very lazy player in the defensive zone in the later part of his career. Refused to back check. Maybe I mis-remember..

The only thing that was more memorable to me was an older guy, who was racist as (frank). Hated Latinos, Asians, black people, Irish people, Jewish people...the gamut.

Anyhow, by his 5th or 6th N-bomb, I told him my wife was black. He didn't say another word to me for the duration of my job. I felt a lot better about pissing off that jag off than watching the other poor bastard ruin his tv
- Jsaquella

nice move.

They're not really comparable.

Rick Nash went 1st overall and was considered a franchise player from day one, and at the age of 18 years old. He's a much better player than Claude Giroux.

Claude Giroux was not chosen 1st overall, and when he joined the Flyers full-time in 08'09 was not considered a 1st line center. It was only after two seasons later that the organization decided to build around him, which I believe was when he was 25.
- KGBflyers10

i'm just saying that right now, giroux is wasting away on this flyer team.

maybe it's all Mason's fault. follows him around.

I enjoyed watching Bure more, but I think Ovi is better.
- Jsaquella

no denying ovi's talent. just my opinion. i prefer 90s hockey to what we have now. i might choose datsyuk instead of federov if i had to make one change.

Someone made a point that a guy like Ryan Kessler and another name was posting less numbers that Schenn is now at the same age. They were a couple of great comparisons.
- SuperSchennBros

i didn't watch ryan kesler at schenn's age, so i can't comment. it's not a numbers issue for me with schenn. i don't like his game. at all.

His numbers don't back this up, but I seem to recall he became a very lazy player in the defensive zone in the later part of his career. Refused to back check. Maybe I mis-remember..
- PT21

#'s don't necessarily translate to "giving it everything". i'm sure he took a shift off now and then...and the end of his career was riddled with injuries. they turn great players into shells of their former selves.

Given their talents at their respective ages, I would never consider Kane over Sellanne. Sellanne didnt play with the talent that Kane has from the offset of his career.
- KINGKENZO

Just not the same playoff stud. Much better being a 2nd/3rd line sniper in his later years in Anaheim behind the Getzlaf line. A far superior player on talent alone probably.

As for not the same talent, what about the time he and Kariya joined Forsberg, Sakic, Foote, Hejduk et al?

Given their talents at their respective ages, I would never consider Kane over Sellanne. Sellanne didnt play with the talent that Kane has from the offset of his career.
- KINGKENZO

i wouldn't choose kane based on that stupid (frank)ing hand gesture he makes when scoring, not to mention his (frank)ing hair. (frank) him.

selanne never had the hands or even pure shiftiness that kane has. i'd still take him.

I enjoyed watching Bure more, but I think Ovi is better.
- Jsaquella

As the Canucks struggled to score in the second half of the 1993-94 season, Bure recorded 49 goals in the club's final 51 games and contributed to 46.45% of his team's goals in the final 47 games of the season to carry the Canucks into the 1994 postseason. Jim Matheson of the Edmonton Journal called Bure "the NHL's best forward the last 40 games, scoring almost a goal a game."[54] Bure played that season with linemates Gino Odjick and Murray Craven.[55][56] The previous season, Bure played with Anatoli Semenov and Greg "Gus" Adams. Pat Quinn acknowledged, in failing to acquire suitable linemates to complement Bure, that he would likely continue to look "for that big, talented centre until the day I die.

he scored 60 both years. 93-94 he injured his groin, missed 8 games and only scored 4 in 4 weeks after he returned.....he still finished with 60.
Ovi has had Backstrom and Green setting the table for him, Bure was pure speed and dynamic skill. In this Mickey Mouse era, he would score like it was the mid 80s

As the Canucks struggled to score in the second half of the 1993-94 season, Bure recorded 49 goals in the club's final 51 games and contributed to 46.45% of his team's goals in the final 47 games of the season to carry the Canucks into the 1994 postseason. Jim Matheson of the Edmonton Journal called Bure "the NHL's best forward the last 40 games, scoring almost a goal a game."
- KINGKENZO[54] Bure played that season with linemates Gino Odjick and Murray Craven.[55][56] The previous season, Bure played with Anatoli Semenov and Greg "Gus" Adams. Pat Quinn acknowledged, in failing to acquire suitable linemates to complement Bure, that he would likely continue to look "for that big, talented centre until the day I die.

he scored 60 both years. 93-94 he injured his groin, missed 8 games and only scored 4 in 4 weeks after he returned.....he still finished with 60.
Ovi has had Backstrom and Green setting the table for him, Bure was pure speed and dynamic skill. In this Mickey Mouse era, he would score like it was the mid 80s

Just not the same playoff stud. Much better being a 2nd/3rd line sniper in his later years in Anaheim behind the Getzlaf line. A far superior player on talent alone probably.

As for not the same talent, what about the time he and Kariya joined Forsberg, Sakic, Foote, Hejduk et al?
- PT21

it was 1 year, after a lock out. Not trying to change your opinion, but youtube his 76 goal rookie campaign. Cant hold Winnepegs playoff failures against him

They're not really comparable.

Rick Nash went 1st overall and was considered a franchise player from day one, and at the age of 18 years old. He's a much better player than Claude Giroux.

Claude Giroux was not chosen 1st overall, and when he joined the Flyers full-time in 08'09 was not considered a 1st line center. It was only after two seasons later that the organization decided to build around him, which I believe was when he was 25.
- KGBflyers10

What about Nash makes him a better player let alone a much better player than Giroux..

it was 1 year, after a lock out. Not trying to change your opinion, but youtube his 76 goal rookie campaign. Cant hold Winnepegs playoff failures against him
- KINGKENZO

I tend to disproportionately weigh proven playoff performers. I downgrade Sedins, Thornton, Ovi, Nash etc. I bump up Toews, Kane, Krejcki, Getzlaf, and till the last 2 series, Giroux....

Ovi is a much bigger star than Giroux, surely. But I would prefer to have Roo over Ovi in playoffs.

Regular season is really mostly pre-season, with teams shifting to a different gear from end Jan or so.

So if Sam morin, in essence developed into the player that tyler myers is today, would most be satisfied with that?

I kinda always thought he was overrated, but he looked pretty solid tonight. Granted it was against the leafs, but he still looked good.