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YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Nov 3 @ 9:34 AM ET
Personally, I think Streit is moved at the TDL this year.
- PhiFaninEdm


Hope you get to enjoy the game tonight!
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Nov 3 @ 9:38 AM ET
They really can't right now, unless they want to trade him, or put him through waivers and bring up another player. (not MacDonald)
- MJL

woof
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Nov 3 @ 9:38 AM ET
Along with the cap hit for Pronger, a team also gets a roster exemption for him. That won't be the case with Lecavalier, and he'll have to be on the active roster.
- MJL


Who cares? The salary will be lower than cap number with him on the team. That's literally the only thing that matters. I understand it severely limits the number of teams he can go to, but the value in that is undeniable
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Nov 3 @ 9:40 AM ET
Wouldn't Hexy have already explored salary-retained trades prior to waiving/demoting him? I'm thinking it was likely that nobody wanted AMac, even at half price.
- Tomahawk


There is no guarantee that he had a trade available as long as he retained salary. I would be he did not. At this point he does not need to retain salary. This offseason, he may need to
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 3 @ 9:40 AM ET
Wouldn't Hexy have already explored salary-retained trades prior to waiving/demoting him? I'm thinking it was likely that nobody wanted AMac, even at half price.
- Tomahawk



NHL trade markets expand and contract at different points in the calendar. Right before the season starts, coming out of camp, the market is very limited. It expands later in the season, and in the off season.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Nov 3 @ 9:40 AM ET
Who cares? The salary will be lower than cap number with him on the team. That's literally the only thing that matters. I understand it severely limits the number of teams he can go to, but the value in that is undeniable
- YuenglingJagr

I think cap ceiling teams have already exploited most, if not all, of the cap floor dollars they can. What have-not teams are left that need that cap buffer?
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Nov 3 @ 9:41 AM ET
Oilers are -130 tonight. Good friggin lord. The Flyers are NHL bottom feeders.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Nov 3 @ 9:41 AM ET
Who cares? The salary will be lower than cap number with him on the team. That's literally the only thing that matters. I understand it severely limits the number of teams he can go to, but the value in that is undeniable
- YuenglingJagr


I think the accepting team would be faced with the same problem the Flyers are facing right now -- he'll take spot in the lineup that probably would have gone toward a kid's development.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 3 @ 9:42 AM ET
Who cares? The salary will be lower than cap number with him on the team. That's literally the only thing that matters. I understand it severely limits the number of teams he can go to, but the value in that is undeniable
- YuenglingJagr



I disagree. There is a huge difference between obtaining a player that can go on IR, versus a player that has to be carried on the active roster, that can't play anymore. That severely limits the value in a trade, where the team is looking for cap dollars to reach the ceiling. A team can simply sign another player that can still play a little, and overpay them on a one year deal.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Nov 3 @ 9:42 AM ET
NHL trade markets expand and contract at different points in the calendar. Right before the season starts, coming out of camp, the market is very limited. It expands later in the season, and in the off season.
- MJL


I'm assuming he was one of a handful of guys that Hexy was shopping all summer long.
PhiFaninEdm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Edmonton
Joined: 11.21.2011

Nov 3 @ 9:43 AM ET
Hope you get to enjoy the game tonight!
- YuenglingJagr


Thanks, win or lose, there is always booze! But hoping for a win
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Nov 3 @ 9:43 AM ET
Oilers are -130 tonight. Good friggin lord. The Flyers are NHL bottom feeders.
- PLindbergh31

We know the team's not good. Why do you keep driving the knife deeper? Jesus.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 3 @ 9:44 AM ET
I'm assuming he was one of a handful of guys that Hexy was shopping all summer long.
- Tomahawk



Maybe, maybe not. We can also speculate that Hextall was shopping him at his full value. In the premise offered there is money retained, and two more years off the deal.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Nov 3 @ 9:45 AM ET
All this thread needs is a title. No goals and no wins makes FlyersBuzz something something...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMeZUPX1BC0
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Nov 3 @ 9:45 AM ET
it annoys me seeing manning out there

He's just...he's not good

Of course, neither are 4 other guys on that D corps. So..
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Nov 3 @ 9:47 AM ET
Oilers are -130 tonight. Good friggin lord. The Flyers are NHL bottom feeders.
- PLindbergh31


I have no idea what that means.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Nov 3 @ 9:48 AM ET
I have no idea what that means.
- Scoob


I think it means you have to pay $130 to win $100 if you bet on the Oilers. It's like a point spread on a football game.

https://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/odds
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 3 @ 9:54 AM ET
Wouldn't Hexy have already explored salary-retained trades prior to waiving/demoting him? I'm thinking it was likely that nobody wanted AMac, even at half price.
- Tomahawk


Yes and no, I don't think Hexy wanted 1.5-2 million on the books for 5 more years, nor do I think too many teams were interested in 5 years of AMac. Once you get down to 3 years, I think it becomes an easier deal to make for both sides.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Nov 3 @ 9:55 AM ET
Yes and no, I don't think Hexy wanted 1.5-2 million on the books for 5 more years, nor do I think too many teams were interested in 5 years of AMac. Once you get down to 3 years, I think it becomes an easier deal to make for both sides.
- BiggE


Something top-4 something market value
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Nov 3 @ 9:55 AM ET
I think it means you have to pay $130 to win $100 if you bet on the Oilers. It's like a point spread on a football game.

https://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/odds

- jmatchett383


Thanks. I don't follow wagering. Does Philly +115 mean you get $115 if you bet $100 on Philly to win (and it somehow miraculously happens)?
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 3 @ 9:55 AM ET
Thanks, win or lose, there is always booze! But hoping for a win
- PhiFaninEdm

BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 3 @ 9:56 AM ET
it annoys me seeing manning out there

He's just...he's not good

Of course, neither are 4 other guys on that D corps. So..

- Giroux_Is_God


Yup it's the classic Turd sandwich vs giant douche conundrum.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 3 @ 9:57 AM ET
Something top-4 something market value
- jmatchett383

jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Nov 3 @ 9:57 AM ET
Thanks. I don't follow wagering. Does Philly +115 mean you get $115 if you bet $100 on Philly to win (and it somehow miraculously happens)?
- Scoob


That's it exactly. I've never bet on sports aside from office pools.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Nov 3 @ 10:06 AM ET
That goal by Giroux was ridiculous.

The Flyers have little offensive depth really beyond Giroux and a struggling Voracek but man has Couturier going out really hurt them. They already didn't have ideal lines in the middle of the lineup but things are even more jumbled now.

Hopefully he fully recovers from the concussion and gets back soon.
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