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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 28 @ 10:05 AM ET
I think your point is, a new Coach is above criticism. I've gone into great detail with my views and frankly no Coach is above criticism.
- SuperSchennBros



Nobody thinks that a coach is above criticism. The point is how do you know what Hakstol is as a coach after 8 games?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 28 @ 10:06 AM ET
Nobody thinks that a coach is above criticism. The point is how do you know what Hakstol is as a coach after 8 games?
- MJL


Because he played Manning against Benn and Seguin. AGAINST BENN AND SEGUIN! Worst coach everzzzzzzzzzz.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 28 @ 10:07 AM ET
One thing I do like is the fact he's not running to the first PP unit every time there is penalty against the other team. Other players are getting offensive chances. Guys like Gagner, Schenn and Del Zotto need this to be productive.
- SuperSchennBros



That has been dependent on when the first line was last out playing. If they're fresh, he's going with the first unit.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Oct 28 @ 10:08 AM ET
Because he played Manning against Benn and Seguin. AGAINST BENN AND SEGUIN! Worst coach everzzzzzzzzzz.
- jmatchett383



Benn and Seguin you say?!
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Oct 28 @ 10:12 AM ET
He (and I) were directing our comments to your one comment about Lavi and Hitchcock's start compared to Hakstal's. No one on this team, player or coach or GM, is above criticism.
- jmatchett383

Both you and him took my post too literal. When you install a system mid season, things much be reteached.

Also if I were to take your comment or anyone else's comments too literal, I'd be a jackass for doing so.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
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Oct 28 @ 10:14 AM ET
Nobody thinks that a coach is above criticism. The point is how do you know what Hakstol is as a coach after 8 games?
- MJL

Because the mistakes I've seen aren't small ones.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Oct 28 @ 10:15 AM ET
Because he played Manning against Benn and Seguin. AGAINST BENN AND SEGUIN! Worst coach everzzzzzzzzzz.
- jmatchett383

So this isn't big deal? Boy I'm sure Parent and Bartulis saw a lot of time against Toews and Kane in 2010's Cup Final.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Oct 28 @ 10:17 AM ET
I think your point is, a new Coach is above criticism. I've gone into great detail with my views and frankly no Coach is above criticism.
- SuperSchennBros

No. I have no problem with criticism... when warranted. Saying he isnt a game changer and listing Laviolette as one is where I focused my narrative. All I am saying is give him time.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 28 @ 10:17 AM ET
Both you and him took my post too literal. When you install a system mid season, things much be reteached.

Also if I were to take your comment or anyone else's comments too literal, I'd be a jackass for doing so.

- SuperSchennBros



It does take time for a new coach. If that's true, how can you declare that Hakstol is not a game changer like Laviolette and Hitchcock were?
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Oct 28 @ 10:18 AM ET
Because the mistakes I've seen aren't small ones.
- SuperSchennBros

Like playing Manning against Benn AND Seguin?
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Oct 28 @ 10:18 AM ET
First goal was not bad.... Ennis made a great play, Mason did his part and covered his side. The puck went in far side. The blame is on Giroux for losing the battle behind the net to Ennis, pretty easily I might add
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 28 @ 10:18 AM ET
Because the mistakes I've seen aren't small ones.
- SuperSchennBros



So you have then in fact made a final determination on Hakstol as a coach, after 8 games, based on some mistakes made?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 28 @ 10:19 AM ET
So this isn't big deal? Boy I'm sure Parent and Bartulis saw a lot of time against Toews and Kane in 2010's Cup Final.
- SuperSchennBros


Yes, it was a deal (maybe not a big one). However, he did it in one game and it was his 5th game as an NHL coach. This can be corrected and hopefully will be in the future. If he persists in getting bad match-ups constantly (especially if the game is a home game, as Dallas was not).

For someone who says you can't look at one game, you seem to keep harping on this one game match-up as a reason why Hakstal is a bad coach.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
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Oct 28 @ 10:19 AM ET
No. I have no problem with criticism... when warranted. Saying he isnt a game changer and listing Laviolette as one is where I focused my narrative. All I am saying is give him time.
- jak521

Hitch and Laviolette are Stanley Cup winning coaches.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 28 @ 10:20 AM ET
Like playing Manning against Benn AND Seguin?
- jak521


Clear-cut evidence of a coach who makes horrible decisions constantly.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Oct 28 @ 10:20 AM ET
So this isn't big deal? Boy I'm sure Parent and Bartulis saw a lot of time against Toews and Kane in 2010's Cup Final.
- SuperSchennBros

HAHA are you comparing the 4th game of the season to the Stanley Cup final?

He already said that he likes the mobility and physicality they bring. It didnt work out. We are lacking a true #1 and arguably a #2. There are gonna be miss matches. The WORST possible thing he could have done there is put Luke on the ice vs that line.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Oct 28 @ 10:20 AM ET
It's still a bad goal by Mason allowed.
- SuperSchennBros



I don't think he ever saw it.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 28 @ 10:20 AM ET
Hitch and Laviolette are Stanley Cup winning coaches.
- SuperSchennBros


How many NHL seasons did those guys have to coach before they won their Cups? I don't think either did it as a rookie NHL head coach.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Oct 28 @ 10:20 AM ET
Hitch and Laviolette are Stanley Cup winning coaches.
- SuperSchennBros

Ok.

Hackstool almost won a cup.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 28 @ 10:21 AM ET
No. I have no problem with criticism... when warranted. Saying he isnt a game changer and listing Laviolette as one is where I focused my narrative. All I am saying is give him time.
- jak521



In Laviolette's first year as the Flyers head coach, that team continued to play up and down hockey in the regular season. They had a very good playoff season obviously, even thought they came real close to being knocked out by the Bruins. In terms of taking over a team during the regular season, and turning the team around, Berube, who is a "clown" did much better than Laviolette did taking over a team.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 28 @ 10:22 AM ET
Ok.

Hackstool almost won a cup.

- jak521


Dude, he's just changing his argument to suit his needs, jumping from one thing to the next. It's not worth it, because he's going to keep jumping until he finds something that he wins with. I'm done.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Oct 28 @ 10:22 AM ET
One thing I didn't realize because, I admit, I didn't see all that much of him in Colorado, but Ryan O'Reilly reminds me a bit of Keith Primeau. Big, strong guy that moves well and is hard on the puck. Good on faceoffs, even though I thought he got away with a lot last night on the dot.
- johndewar


He's huge! I never realized that.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 28 @ 10:22 AM ET
Hitch and Laviolette are Stanley Cup winning coaches.
- SuperSchennBros



Did they win those Cups after coaching 8 games in their NHL coaching career?
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Oct 28 @ 10:22 AM ET
I think the majority would feel different if it were a different goalie. In fact I'm positive of this.
- SuperSchennBros


Nah, but the OT goal was a real stinker. Completely stoppable.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Oct 28 @ 10:23 AM ET
for the next few years watching the draft will be the most exciting part of being a Philly sports fan
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