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3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Oct 21 @ 8:51 AM ET
For the love God, please get poopty raffle off the top line and especially off the pp!! He blows! He's dragging both units down
- SMS4016



I would be placing 10 back on the top PP.. Starting tonight.
TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Oct 21 @ 8:51 AM ET
2 goals or less in 4 out of 5 games. Small sample size, but methinks scoring is going to be an issue all season long. If the PP doesn't produce, this team is a bottom feeder.
- PLindbergh31


Yup. The sad thing is, if you added two or three players with the right skill set, the offense could really start to click. They have nice players, but the mix is off.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 21 @ 8:52 AM ET

- Feanor


Welp, he probably wouldn't have made the mistake that Manning made that led to the 2nd goal, because AMac would have been retreating to his own zone to the point where he would have been in Mason's lap.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 21 @ 8:55 AM ET
Good news for the Blue Jackets: they only let up 4 goals to lower their season GAA from 5.0 to 4.4.

"We only lost by 5. We almost scored a goal too."
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Oct 21 @ 8:59 AM ET
Welp, he probably wouldn't have made the mistake that Manning made that led to the 2nd goal, because AMac would have been retreating to his own zone to the point where he would have been in Mason's lap.
- johndewar


Yea. Manning may have been the main culprit out there but just because we put luke in doesn't mean it's fixing a problem. Luke would have made his share of gaffes trying to deal with the speed.

Bottom line is the GA hasn't been an issue.

It's been clear to me gudas is a superior player to luke
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Oct 21 @ 9:03 AM ET
I did notice that Gagner gets knocked off of the puck very easily.

One thing I really liked last night was Medvdev's 1-on-1 defense sequence against Benn. He was able to recover quickly, and use his positioning and speed/size to limit Benn's scoring chance. He's been, to me, our best defenseman so far, although that might not be saying much.

- jmatchett383



Yes he has been a bright spot all season. i love how he tries to get everything to the net as well. Brayden Schenn IMO has been our best forward all year and the guy gets like 2 shifts the whole third period. Hakstoll needs to take some of the heat for this game.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 21 @ 9:06 AM ET
Richards out, Torts in.

https://twitter.com/Darre...status/656817816377696256
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Oct 21 @ 9:09 AM ET
I would be placing 10 back on the top PP.. Starting tonight.
- 3flyerkids

Exactly. B scheen been playing with meaning for once. Put him back on the top line
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Oct 21 @ 9:09 AM ET
I'd play Umberger & Schenn over Manning & White tomorrow.

I think they generated chances but just need to finish. Holding Dallas under 3 goals is pretty impressive. Before tonight they were averaging 4.4 GPG. .

As stated in last blog, not happy at the seeming ease Ruff was able to get good matchups for the Benn-Seguin line. They seemed to be out a lot against the Del Zotto-Manning pair and/or the 4th line. Learning curve, perhaps, but give all the factors: 5 days off, goalie making 1st start in ten days, facing a good Stars team with loads of firepower, it's a disappointing, but tolerable outcome.

Niemi had a great game, and deserves full credit.

Good time to have a short turnaround against a struggling Bruins team.

- Jsaquella

I keep white scratch VDV....he offers little to no value. Manning is not an everyday nhl dman.

Glad to see shutdown seanie with his first goal of the year.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Oct 21 @ 9:11 AM ET
Bill Meltzer: Flyers-Stars Wrapup, Flyers Gameday: 10/21/15 @ BOS
- bmeltzer


Personally I feel Mason had no business in net last night against a team with the best top line in the league and goong for their 4th consecutive win. Neuvirth is on a hot streak, so this is the hand you ride.

I thought Hakstol's match ups were piss poor. I thought he made amateur errors in that regard. He needs to adjust to the game and not make the game adjust to him. With this said, after 2 costly Manning mistakes, he kept the match up. Manning should sit tonight in favor of Luke Schenn but I do not have much faith this guy will adjust. Manning isn't a former first overall pick in his 3rd or 4th season. He's a rookie playing on the wrong side of the ice.

Honestly, I'd play Umberger over Vandevelde. The PK looked shaky to me at times. I like Ryan White's fire and ability to go after a Russell or whatever if need be. White is a necessary player on this roster.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Oct 21 @ 9:11 AM ET
I wasn't happy to see BSchenn abd Couts broken up.
Especially if they want to give Couts line more offensive zone starts and total minutes.

They had some nice chemistry developing.

Then I thought ok, Schenn with Laughton could be good, as Laughts was bringing some speed and energy.

But don't put Schenn with Laughton and not play them.

Right now he is overusing the 4th line and Laughton is losing out on his ice time.

Raffl vs BSchenn on PP 1 is less of an issue to me.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Oct 21 @ 9:12 AM ET
Oh, Columbus. It's never so bad that you have to hire that a-hole

Can't wait until Ryan Johansen gets told that his ice time is gonna be directly linked to how many slappers from the point he blocks
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Oct 21 @ 9:14 AM ET
Oh, Columbus. It's never so bad that you have to hire that a-hole

Can't wait until Ryan Johansen gets told that his ice time is gonna be directly linked to how many slappers from the point he blocks

- AllInForFlyers

Hartnell and Torts

Omg

Agree they made a poor decision here
goenzoy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 04.11.2014

Oct 21 @ 9:15 AM ET
Manning was brutal tonight and made many fringe NHL player mistakes
I'm done with Raffl on the top line he doesn't do anything give Gagner a shot

Really the whole top line inclusive Raffl looks good it ONLY doesn't show on the scoreboard.AND if Hakstol is a bit more patient with line chances it would help as well.But agree that Raffl on PP looks a bit hectic and needs improvement but not
on 5on5
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 21 @ 9:15 AM ET
Oh, Columbus. It's never so bad that you have to hire that a-hole

Can't wait until Ryan Johansen gets told that his ice time is gonna be directly linked to how many slappers from the point he blocks

- AllInForFlyers


Torts coaching Hartsy should be fun.
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Oct 21 @ 9:16 AM ET
What we saw last night is what we had been discussing in the offseason. There will be other outcomes similar to last night this year. I understand an argument for removing Raffl off the top line, but can't see a better option. Maybe Schenn?

Not much to say about the D. Just haveto bite your tongue and wait a while until the youngsters are ready.


BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Oct 21 @ 9:17 AM ET
Richards out, Torts in.

https://twitter.com/Darre...status/656817816377696256

- Feanor

Stevie Wonder could see that coming.

"Listen up you dumb (frank)ers, if you'd just drop down and block more shots with your (frank)ing faces, we'd start winning some (frank)ing games!!"
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Oct 21 @ 9:17 AM ET
I'd play Umberger & Schenn over Manning & White tomorrow.

I think they generated chances but just need to finish. Holding Dallas under 3 goals is pretty impressive. Before tonight they were averaging 4.4 GPG. .

As stated in last blog, not happy at the seeming ease Ruff was able to get good matchups for the Benn-Seguin line. They seemed to be out a lot against the Del Zotto-Manning pair and/or the 4th line. Learning curve, perhaps, but give all the factors: 5 days off, goalie making 1st start in ten days, facing a good Stars team with loads of firepower, it's a disappointing, but tolerable outcome.

Niemi had a great game, and deserves full credit.

Good time to have a short turnaround against a struggling Bruins team.

- Jsaquella


I'd be fine with that.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Oct 21 @ 9:19 AM ET
What we saw last night is what we had been discussing in the offseason. There will be other outcomes similar to last night this year. I understand an argument for removing Raffl off the top line, but can't see a better option. Maybe Schenn?

Not much to say about the D. Just haveto bite your tongue and wait a while until the youngsters are ready.

- Pelle31Forever

Yup. 2-2-1 is pretty much what your gonna get this season.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 21 @ 9:19 AM ET
Hartnell and Torts

Omg

Agree they made a poor decision here

- Marc D


That is going to be a poopshow.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Oct 21 @ 9:19 AM ET
I'd be fine with that.
- funmaster18

me too
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Oct 21 @ 9:20 AM ET
I wasn't happy to see BSchenn abd Couts broken up.
Especially if they want to give Couts line more offensive zone starts and total minutes.

They had some nice chemistry developing.

Then I thought ok, Schenn with Laughton could be good, as Laughts was bringing some speed and energy.

But don't put Schenn with Laughton and not play them.

Right now he is overusing the 4th line and Laughton is losing out on his ice time.

Raffl vs BSchenn on PP 1 is less of an issue to me.

- Marc D


I would have rolled with the same lineup as the Chicago game. Including Neuvirth. I would have let Mason play on the road against Boston. He wasn't the reason they lost, IMO, just would have rolled with the hot hand, despite the 5 day layoff.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Oct 21 @ 9:20 AM ET
That is going to be a poopshow.
- johndewar

Yeah, but it'll be fun to watch!
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Oct 21 @ 9:21 AM ET
I would have rolled with the same lineup as the Chicago game. Including Neuvirth. I would have let Mason play on the road against Boston. He wasn't the reason they lost, IMO, just would have rolled with the hot hand, despite the 5 day layoff.
- funmaster18

Mason wasn't the issue. You won't win a lot of games scoring only 1 goal.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Oct 21 @ 9:22 AM ET
Mason wasn't the issue. You won't win a lot of games scoring only 1 goal.
- BiggE


Nope. I still would have went with Neuvirth.
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