Why is read this blog?

It's true that Tanner Glass is very bad at hockey, and that Crosby is very good. What's also true is that Crosby is also better at the cheap stuff than Glass. That's a big stain on his greatness. He's one of the best, skill-wise, to ever play the game, but, let's just face it -- he's a douche.

Matt Cooke was a quality depth winger. Downie was at serviceable player too. Glass/Farnham/Sesito/Sill are useless players. I want other teams to overvalue useless players so the Pens can have more talented players on the ice that will be more likely to beat the useless ones.

It's true that Tanner Glass is very bad at hockey, and that Crosby is very good. What's also true is that Crosby is also better at the cheap stuff than Glass. That's a big stain on his greatness. He's one of the best, skill-wise, to ever play the game, but, let's just face it -- he's no class-act.
- Bromancer

I wouldn't call him cheap. He and Malkin are "sneaky" though. So are Giroux, McDonagh, Subban, Perry, and a host of other elite/star players. For crying out loud, Gordie Howe is glorified as having the dirtiest elbows in the history of hockey, but that's not a "stain" of his greatness.

Matt Cooke was a quality depth winger. Downie was at serviceable player too. Glass/Farnham/Sesito/Sill are useless players. I want other teams to overvalue useless players so the Pens can have more talented players on the ice that will be more likely to beat the useless ones.
- jfkst1

Matt Cooke was a decent hockey player, but his constant suspensions make him a liability. You never know when he is going to knee another player!!!

I think that Cooke is looked at as a "cheap" dirty player, who turtles when its time to fight.

I wouldn't call him cheap. He and Malkin are "sneaky" though. So are Giroux, McDonagh, Subban, Perry, and a host of other elite/star players. For crying out loud, Gordie Howe is glorified as having the dirtiest elbows in the history of hockey, but that's not a "stain" of his greatness.
- jmatchett383

Different eras. You're putting G with Crosby in on-ice antics?

It was Staal who cross checked him, by the way, and it hilarious that you are still holding on to that one..lol
- rrentz

I'm not holding anything. Example of that is that I don't even remeber who it was. rofl

I was just giving examples of blogs by Wilson against Glass while he was playing with the pens, like you asked.

But as I can see you are not here to have a civil conversation. So keep calling everyone hypocrite because Glass just sucks. See you.

That's the thing. The Rinaldo/Cooke/Glass players don't care if they get punched in the face a few times if they can bury a player (see: Rinaldo on Letang). However, if their behavior results in a Glass-type running the team's best player (i.e. Giroux) in retaliation, then maybe the next time the player will think twice.

I'm not advocating any of this, as I hate seeing players get injured (hurt and injured are 2 different things). Also, this wouldn't stop the first incident, but it probably does prevent future incidents. That said, I agree that the Glass/Rinaldo types aren't needed in the game today.
- jmatchett383

If I was a coach in that position, I would! Players then know when they played my team they will get their best players hurt if 1 of mind was targeted - it wouldn't take long for the game to be clean & rid of most of that type of poop. If Downie had of taken OEL out after the Letang hit, would Doan do the same thing again the next time?

But coaches wouldn't gave to do that if the league did it's job. I wrote a comment a while ago about it, but if players like Rinaldo did stupid things 1 they would be suspended for a long time, & 2 coaches would be a little more careful with what they tolerated.

Different eras. You're putting G with Crosby in on-ice antics?
- wolfhounds

Absolutely. They're both incredibly sneaky players.

Matt Cooke was a decent hockey player, but his constant suspensions make him a liability. You never know when he is going to knee another player!!!

I think that Cooke is looked at as a "cheap" dirty player, who turtles when its time to fight.
- rrentz

I didn't like any of the cheap stuff he did. Neal was probably the dirtiest Penguin they've had in a long time. Downie hardly did anything that could be considered borderline. Most fans are ignorant and just follow mindless narratives.

If I was a coach in that position, I would! Players then know when they played my team they will get their best players hurt if 1 of mind was targeted - it wouldn't take long for the game to be clean & rid of most of that type of poop. If Downie had of taken OEL out after the Letang hit, would Doan do the same thing again the next time?

But coaches wouldn't gave to do that if the league did it's job. I wrote a comment a while ago about it, but if players like Rinaldo did stupid things 1 they would be suspended for a long time, & 2 coaches would be a little more careful with what they tolerated.
- Aussiepenguin

Right, but I'm saying I don't want any players injured to begin with.

Also, the problem is deciding what "stupid stuff" warrants one suspension and what "stupid stuff" doesn't. Also, using injury as a basis for penalties is a horrible measuring stick (it's why he have a charge called "attempted murder" in our legal system). The intent is what you punish.

Finally, the best I've heard is that, if a player is injured, then the team has to play without 1 player for the duration of his suspension. That way, it affects the team much more than the player.

I wouldn't call him cheap. He and Malkin are "sneaky" though. So are Giroux, McDonagh, Subban, Perry, and a host of other elite/star players. For crying out loud, Gordie Howe is glorified as having the dirtiest elbows in the history of hockey, but that's not a "stain" of his greatness.
- jmatchett383

A big part of "cheap" to me is when you dish it out, but can't take it -- when you don't fight your own battles. That's Crosby. It sure as hell wasn't Howe.

Matt Cooke was a decent hockey player, but his constant suspensions make him a liability. You never know when he is going to knee another player!!!

I think that Cooke is looked at as a "cheap" dirty player, who turtles when its time to fight.
- rrentz

What was your assessment/opinion of Avery when he played for NY?

I didn't like any of the cheap stuff he did. Neal was probably the dirtiest Penguin they've had in a long time. Downie hardly did anything that could be considered borderline. Most fans are ignorant and just follow mindless narratives.
- jfkst1

Matt Cooke doesn't turtle. He stood and fought Thornton, and just last year he went with Shea Weber. Neal, on the other hand, would never answer for his hits and always backed down. And yes, he was MUCH dirtier than Cooke.

A big part of "cheap" to me is when you dish it out, but can't take it -- when you don't fight your own battles. That's Crosby. It sure is hell wasn't Howe.
- Bromancer

Crosby has fought when he has to. But it's not in his best interests to, because there are few (if any) players that make it a "win" if he's sitting in the box for 5 minutes. Crosby doesn't have a "protector" on the ice, and he takes his lumps just like everyone else.

You do realize that Crosby is no longer 18, right?

Matt Cooke was a decent hockey player, but his constant suspensions make him a liability. You never know when he is going to knee another player!!!

I think that Cooke is looked at as a "cheap" dirty player, who turtles when its time to fight.
- rrentz

John Scott is probably the only old school enforcer left. The new generation are the Cooke, Rinaldo types that are grubs & have intent to do something that may injure. The 'cheap' part of the game is seeing more & more members to their club. The sly knee on knees, the elbows to the head, checking into the boards are all getting more & more common by players that aren't seen as 'fighters'. It's a different breed that seems to be sanctioned by Bettman. It's going to take a law suit or major injury for anything to change it by what I gave seen.

Matt Cooke doesn't turtle. He stood and fought Thornton, and just last year he went with Shea Weber. Neal, on the other hand, would never answer for his hits and always backed down. And yes, he was MUCH dirtier than Cooke.
- jmatchett383

That's why I don't miss Neal at all. Really good player. Skill-wise I think he is more valuable than Hornqvist+Spaling. But the cheap sideshow stuff was constant with him for some reason.

Crosby has fought when he has to. But it's not in his best interests to, because there are few (if any) players that make it a "win" if he's sitting in the box for 5 minutes. Crosby doesn't have a "protector" on the ice, and he takes his lumps just like everyone else.

You do realize that Crosby is no longer 18, right?
- jmatchett383

Dubinsky comes to mind.

Right, but I'm saying I don't want any players injured to begin with.

Also, the problem is deciding what "stupid stuff" warrants one suspension and what "stupid stuff" doesn't. Also, using injury as a basis for penalties is a horrible measuring stick (it's why he have a charge called "attempted murder" in our legal system). The intent is what you punish.

Finally, the best I've heard is that, if a player is injured, then the team has to play without 1 player for the duration of his suspension. That way, it affects the team much more than the player.
- jmatchett383

It's black & white or should be. If someone is hit in a stated proximity to the boards or ends up in the boards bingo you automatically get 2 weeks no matter the result. If you slash - Subban example here, you get 2 weeks suspension. It really us quite easy & coaches will adapt very quickly if they are losing players. If it's not penalised in the game the match review will impose the sanctions. Coaches don't like losing healthy players especially if they are good players. The game will become a lot faster & cleaner.

We have all the same rhetoric here for our sports. The suspension is one I've thought about as well. If Rinaldo elbows illegally & breaks a jaw, why shouldn't he sit the rest of that game then be suspended via due course. I can see the in game suspension after the incident if the player doesn't return, but then that opens up all sorts of different scenarios also. I also see good reason for him to sit out while the broken jaw heals. But I'm undecided if I would actually want that did to the ulterior scenarios that could be achieved.

Dubinsky comes to mind.
- stowerkraut

Oh poop, he turtled a time or two. What a coward!!!

You act like the dude's Claude Lemieux.

Crosby has fought when he has to. But it's not in his best interests to, because there are few (if any) players that make it a "win" if he's sitting in the box for 5 minutes. Crosby doesn't have a "protector" on the ice, and he takes his lumps just like everyone else.

You do realize that Crosby is no longer 18, right?
- jmatchett383

18? Pretty often it seems like he's still 8.

It's black & white or should be. If someone is hit in a stated proximity to the boards or ends up in the boards bingo you automatically get 2 weeks no matter the result. If you slash - Subban example here, you get 2 weeks suspension. It really us quite easy & coaches will adapt very quickly if they are losing players. If it's not penalised in the game the match review will impose the sanctions. Coaches don't like losing healthy players especially if they are good players. The game will become a lot faster & cleaner.
- Aussiepenguin

But it can't be. So you're saying a tap to the shin pads and a 2-hander to the back of the knee both get the same result? A guy bumping a guy off the puck from the side is the same as what Doan did to Letang?

If so, I really do hope you never end up on a jury.

That's why I don't miss Neal at all. Really good player. Skill-wise I think he is more valuable than Hornqvist+Spaling. But the cheap sideshow stuff was constant with him for some reason.
- jfkst1

He was better on the PP that Hornqvist. But Hornqvist plays a much better all-around offensive game, is average defensively, and can actually create offense himself. Neal's way to make offense was to stand still on the PP and take a shot on lateral puck movement.

Absolutely. They're both incredibly sneaky players.
- jmatchett383

All players are sneaky, trying to get away with a slash or a hook, or worse. I just don't see G as above average in this category.

All players are sneaky, trying to get away with a slash or a hook, or worse. I just don't see G as above average in this category.
- wolfhounds

I don't think Crosby is either. He used to be, but as he's matured, he's cut down on it a lot. But since the spotlight shines on him, he gets a lot more criticism (some deserved) for it. Not every player can be Wayne Gretzky or Pavel Datsyuk.