you love to turn these conversations into trading these guys for each other, that's crazier than believing in Corsi
- jimbro83

Well if one player is better than another, you'd be fool to not want to do that trade. Wouldn't you want the better player?

Well if one player is better than another, you'd be fool to not want to do that trade. Wouldn't you want the better player?
- jmatchett383

listen, stick to the topic, this is about possession and charts n stuff

listen, stick to the topic, this is about possession and charts n stuff
- jimbro83

Nice cop out.

But yes, hand-picking charts to suit your point is also a cop-out.

That said, Crosby, Malkin, and Tavares are the 3 best centers in the division.

listen, stick to the topic, this is about possession and charts n stuff
- jimbro83

Exactly, stick to the topic. You can't base one persons play off of a playoff series. If that's the case then Brandon Sutter is the best player in the world. Ryan used stats from the past 2 years, not from a playoff series where the pens had an AHL defense.

listen, stick to the topic, this is about possession and charts n stuff
- jimbro83

I like Stepan and Brassard more than most. But there isn't anyone that would take them above Crosby and Malkin or Tavares and Strome. And you wouldn't either if you're being honest about it.

Nice cop out.

But yes, hand-picking charts to suit your point is also a cop-out.

That said, Crosby, Malkin, and Tavares are the 3 best centers in the division.
- jmatchett383

if I said Rick Nash is one of the top 3 wingers in the division, how quick would you point out his lack of playoff production? (but Brassard's playoff production doesn't matter)

I like Stepan and Brassard more than most. But there isn't anyone that would take them above Crosby and Malkin or Tavares and Strome. And you wouldn't either if you're being honest about it.
- jfkst1

Agreed. The CBJ one is debateable, but they're definitely #3/#4 where comparing them to the 2 best centers of Pit/NYI.

Nice cop out.

But yes, hand-picking charts to suit your point is also a cop-out.

That said, Crosby, Malkin, and Tavares are the 3 best centers in the division.
- jmatchett383

Hell, Crosby, Malkin, and Tavares are usually names thrown around for the best players in the league.

if I said Rick Nash is one of the top 3 wingers in the division, how quick would you point out his lack of playoff production? (but Brassard's playoff production doesn't matter)
- jimbro83

If the conversation was about where he stacks up with other players, I'd say that he's one of the better wingers in the league. If it was about about an upcoming playoff series, then I would talk about his playoff woes.

listen, stick to the topic, this is about possession and charts n stuff
- jimbro83

Jimbro why even bother with this crap? you along with everyone else know that the two Rangers centres aren't as good as the others mentioned ahead of them. You're basing your crap on the playoffs without considering any other factors. The biggest one being its a team sport and the Pens back end was decimated by injuries.

Hell, Crosby, Malkin, and Tavares are usually names thrown around for the best players in the league.
- drummer829

Giroux is very good too. He's great on the PP on his own.

Giroux is very good too. He's great on the PP on his own.
- jfkst1

Giroux is one of the better players in the league, but there is a steep drop-off from him to Couturier when it comes to strictly offensive production.

Jimbro why even bother with this crap? you along with everyone else know that the two Rangers centres aren't as good as the others mentioned ahead of them. You're basing your crap on the playoffs without considering any other factors. The biggest one being its a team sport and the Pens back end was decimated by injuries.
- MattStrat

Brassard had 5 points in game 6 vs Tampa and then had wrist surgery when the series was over. But, the Penguins are the only one's with injuries

Giroux is one of the better players in the league, but there is a steep drop-off from him to Couturier when it comes to strictly offensive production.
- jmatchett383

Right. Duo-wise, Couturier needs to show he has more offensive upside for me to consider him a good 2C. He can probably fill that role but ideally the team would have more production out of him. Better deployment should help.

Brassard had 5 points in game 6 vs Tampa and then had wrist surgery when the series was over. But, the Penguins are the only one's with injuries
- jimbro83

And fleury had more shutouts than lundqvist, so he's better

And fleury had more shutouts than lundqvist, so he's better
- drummer829

Fleury was definitely not the reason the Penguins lost to the Rangers in 5, I guarantee you that. It was probably mostly due to the lack of production from the number 1 center duo of the Metro division.

And fleury had more shutouts than lundqvist, so he's better
- drummer829

And Lapierre had more goals than Zuccarello, so he's better.

Fleury was definitely not the reason the Penguins lost to the Rangers in 5, I guarantee you that. It was probably mostly due to the lack of production from the number 1 center duo of the Metro division.
- jimbro83

Another fantastic redirect.

Crosby and Malkin are the best combination of centers in the division. I really don't see how this can realistically be contested.

And Lapierre had more goals than Zuccarello, so he's better.
- jmatchett383

I definitely understand why you hate including the playoffs in all of these kind of conversations

Another fantastic redirect.
- jmatchett383

well I try, I could also include all the games Crosby piled up his regular season points last year in games vs Buffalo

I definitely understand why you hate including the playoffs in all of these kind of conversations
- jimbro83

Well, we can't all have one Stanley Cup in the last 66 years.

well I try, I could also include all the games Crosby piled up his regular season points last year in games vs Buffalo
- jimbro83

Please do.

Well, we can't all have one Stanley Cup in the last 66 years.
- jmatchett383

or zero in 40

or zero in 40
- jimbro83

Absolutely. Soon to be 41.

Still waiting on that list.

Fleury was definitely not the reason the Penguins lost to the Rangers in 5, I guarantee you that. It was probably mostly due to the lack of production from the number 1 center duo of the Metro division.
- jimbro83

Crosby had 4 pts in the series just like Brassard and Malkin was playing hurt. You can go back to the Scum Rags board now where logical inconsistency is accepted.