I think he'll play with the Leafs.
- Pecafan Fan

nylander i can see making it, so long as there is no set backs

are you just conveniently ignoring my point on this?

you want to deplete the CHL of its highest end talent and you dont think thats going to effect the quality of player coming out of the league?
- Dozzer

Following your logic, should McDavid be allowed to play in the NHL this year?

It's probably no worse than Montreal
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Montreal keeps people believing it's a great city by dotting it with thousands of strip clubs and making access to booze omnipresent

Marner still won't be AHL eligible next year either, Wedge.
- Phenom

I know.

I'm totally cool with him going back to the O this year.

Next year? I'm not down with that, homies.

new blog everyone

I'm sure it would be.

I just have sincere doubts that would be good for your future.

One of my BFFs from public school went to the Soo. They talked a really good game about how school was the #1 priority, blah blah blah. The reality was 100% different once he landed there.

And the stories about Bob Probert's time there were truly frightening (the stories were still quite fresh when my friend arrived there).
- Atomic Wedgie

Yeah being close to family is important for a young professional. Education always takes a back seat to athletics. But who cares.

Following your logic, should McDavid be allowed to play in the NHL this year?
- Atomic Wedgie

yes.. because the NHL is not a development league

the AHL and CHL are

completely different

that being said.. i would have mcdavid play another year of junior personally.. edmonton isnt like the pens with crosby.. they dont have a vet like lemieux to guide him

I know.

I'm totally cool with him going back to the O this year.

Next year? I'm not down with that, homies.
- Atomic Wedgie

thing is.. thats where he will be.. might as well accept it

yes.. because the NHL is not a development league

the AHL and CHL are

completely different

that being said.. i would have mcdavid play another year of junior personally.. edmonton isnt like the pens with crosby.. they dont have a vet like lemieux to guide him
- Dozzer

Yeah, if I'm an Oilers fan, I don't like the idea of Mcdavid getting abord the fail train at this point.

Following your logic, should McDavid be allowed to play in the NHL this year?
- Atomic Wedgie

If I were Dozzer's counsel (which I cannot confirm at this point) I would argue that a blanket "1st round" rule would/may lead to all first round picks playing in the AHL. They would have a significant financial investment in "pressuring" their NHL teams to put them there.

If I were Wedgies counsel (which I cannot confirm at this point) I'd in turn suggest that some financial restrictions be applied to all 19 year olds playing in the AHL in those circumstances to ease that pressure.

Not all will make the jump. four or five per a draft at most.
- mykokes

Here's some numbers to chew on:

17 players from the CHL selected in the 1st round of this year's draft:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/dr...5&team=&position=&round=1

McDavid doesn't count, as he will play in the NHL this year (I hope Edmonton is out of the race by Christmas, so they lend him to the WJC team).

So 16 guys, spread across 3 leagues.

Fast forward a year - let's say that 2 of them make their NHL clubs. That means that under the "Wedgie rule", the CHL would lose approximately 14 players a year to the AHL.

To me, that doesn't seem like the sky is falling.

yes.. because the NHL is not a development league

the AHL and CHL are

completely different

that being said.. i would have mcdavid play another year of junior personally.. edmonton isnt like the pens with crosby.. they dont have a vet like lemieux to guide him
- Dozzer

Two quick counterpoints:

If the AHL is a development league, why are we preventing kids from developing there?

There's actually no such thing as a professional development league. The CHL and the AHL are for-profit leagues. Preventing kids from joining the AHL is a restriction of their rights - they didn't sign the CBA, they aren't members of the NHLPA, so there's no justification for it.

Here's some numbers to chew on:

17 players from the CHL selected in the 1st round of this year's draft:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/dr...5&team=&position=&round=1

McDavid doesn't count, as he will play in the NHL this year (I hope Edmonton is out of the race by Christmas, so they lend him to the WJC team).

So 16 guys, spread across 3 leagues.

Fast forward a year - let's say that 2 of them make their NHL clubs. That means that under the "Wedgie rule", the CHL would lose approximately 14 players a year to the AHL.

To me, that doesn't seem like the sky is falling.
- Atomic Wedgie

14 of the better players though

Here's some numbers to chew on:

17 players from the CHL selected in the 1st round of this year's draft:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/dr...5&team=&position=&round=1

McDavid doesn't count, as he will play in the NHL this year (I hope Edmonton is out of the race by Christmas, so they lend him to the WJC team).

So 16 guys, spread across 3 leagues.

Fast forward a year - let's say that 2 of them make their NHL clubs. That means that under the "Wedgie rule", the CHL would lose approximately 14 players a year to the AHL.

To me, that doesn't seem like the sky is falling.
- Atomic Wedgie

All I know is when an underage player (17) avgs 2.0 ppg, odds are he won't be still in junior at 19. So we shall just have to wait and see,

Here's some numbers to chew on:

17 players from the CHL selected in the 1st round of this year's draft:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/dr...5&team=&position=&round=1

McDavid doesn't count, as he will play in the NHL this year (I hope Edmonton is out of the race by Christmas, so they lend him to the WJC team).

So 16 guys, spread across 3 leagues.

Fast forward a year - let's say that 2 of them make their NHL clubs. That means that under the "Wedgie rule", the CHL would lose approximately 14 players a year to the AHL.

To me, that doesn't seem like the sky is falling.
- Atomic Wedgie

And of those 14 how many get unfairly shuffled to the NHL too soon b/c teams don't have the option of placing them where they should be - the AHL.

Two quick counterpoints:

If the AHL is a development league, why are we preventing kids from developing there?

There's actually no such thing as a professional development league. The CHL and the AHL are for-profit leagues. Preventing kids from joining the AHL is a restriction of their rights - they didn't sign the CBA, they aren't members of the NHLPA, so there's no justification for it.
- Atomic Wedgie

i agree with it sorry wedgie..

the NHL already tries to rush kids in too fast as it is

if i had my way you couldnt even play in the NHL til you were 21

too much too soon for a kid of that age.. maturity wise.. they arent ready

Here's some numbers to chew on:

17 players from the CHL selected in the 1st round of this year's draft:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/dr...5&team=&position=&round=1

McDavid doesn't count, as he will play in the NHL this year (I hope Edmonton is out of the race by Christmas, so they lend him to the WJC team).

So 16 guys, spread across 3 leagues.

Fast forward a year - let's say that 2 of them make their NHL clubs. That means that under the "Wedgie rule", the CHL would lose approximately 14 players a year to the AHL.

To me, that doesn't seem like the sky is falling.
- Atomic Wedgie

but it is.. thats a massive talent drain for a league to endure.. hell.. the CHL during the WJCs is notably less exciting... and thats just for a couple weeks

but it is.. thats a massive talent drain for a league to endure.. hell.. the CHL during the WJCs is notably less exciting... and thats just for a couple weeks
- Dozzer

That's a valid point. The CHL gets backburnered pretty quickly when the WJC's are on.

Yes, but I believe the official response from the NHL is:

"Yeah, they suck, but at least they aren't as bad as NFL pre-season games!"

For years, I gave away my exhibition tix without ever going to a game.

That's changed a little in years past - it's not so bad if you have perspective. A chance to go down and see some guys who won't make the team, but you want to get an idea how they are developing (I watch no junior hockey, and very, very little Marlies).

If you go down with a buddy and chug a few overpriced beers, it's not too bad.

But, of course, I've already paid for the tickets. I can't imagine anyone actually paying for a pre-season game if they didn't have to.

Hell, last year I took a certain drunken Hockeybuzz regular to his first Leafs game at the ACC. He probably doesn't remember it, but he seemed to have a good time.
- Atomic Wedgie

I don't remember that at all.

agreed.. i knew he wouldnt be a stand out.. he's a friggin kid

too many guys around here were treating him like he was on McDavid's level.. he isnt anywhere close to that.
- Dozzer

I don't know why it is so difficult for some people to understand that.

If he didn't know stick positioning and board play until now, htf has he made it this far as a defenseman?
- Phenom

Forward til uni

I know.

I'm totally cool with him going back to the O this year.

Next year? I'm not down with that, homies.
- Atomic Wedgie

Yeah I kinda feel the same, depending how his year plays out. If he goes down and dominates this year, what good is it for his development to go back again next season? Leafs or.....???

2 reasons:

- it's not in the best interests of individual development of Canadian players - it gives an advantage to young European kids.

- I don't really give a flying Franson about helping out CHL teams at the expense of the players. The entire Canadian junior hockey system is so effed up beyond belief, but hey, we win Olympic golds, so if you criticize it in any way, I'm just a shirt-lifting, skirt-wearing poodle-walker - and unpatriotic, too.
- Atomic Wedgie

Fixed.

You don't have to thank me.

It looked like he was playing afraid, I don't think you will get a nine game stint out of him. Nylander has outperformed all the PTO so we will see about this, if you earn it you will play talk from the management.
- LeafMan

I was wondering that myself.

Every team says it every year and it is never 100% true. In fact, it is pretty much garbage.

Being 10000km away from magnitogorsk would be the dream
- TheMussel

Magnitogorsk isn't that bad. I go there to see games a few times a month.