It's not just that. CHL teams get paid by NHL teams to develop the players they draft. A lot of teams wouldn't exist without that money.
- Sammich

also delays ELC contracts from kicking in.. which ultimatley keep player salaries down and keep the stars with the franchise that drafted them longer

Maybe each NHL team should be able to make one 'exception' to the general rule. At worst you have 30 19 year olds playing in the A' rather than the CHL. Keeping in mind that all those decision makers have an invested interest in doing what's best for the development of the kid.
- The Law

Simple tweak: Any 1st round pick is AHL eligible.

Marner.
- Pecafan Fan

It looked like he was playing afraid, I don't think you will get a nine game stint out of him. Nylander has outperformed all the PTO so we will see about this, if you earn it you will play talk from the management.

Maybe each NHL team should be able to make one 'exception' to the general rule. At worst you have 30 19 year olds playing in the A' rather than the CHL. Keeping in mind that all those decision makers have an invested interest in doing what's best for the development of the kid.
- The Law

just leave it as is.. its working fine.

marner playing junior for a couple more years wont hurt him.. he will be playing under Dale Hunter.. who will coach him using the more than obvious pipeline of commentary and advice from the leafs, he will lead the team for 2 years, play in a couple WJCs and get some world experience, and likely a couple deep playoff runs

all as the go to guy

he wouldnt get any of that playing with the marlies.

Simple tweak: Any 1st round pick is AHL eligible.
- Atomic Wedgie

yup.

It looked like he was playing afraid, I don't think you will get a nine game stint out of him. Nylander has outperformed all the PTO so we will see about this, if you earn it you will play talk from the management.
- LeafMan

Yeah he looked good last night. He'll stick around for a while me thinks.

its not about helping the CHL team

its about helping the players

if you poach all the high end talent.. the guys coming into the league end up playing just mediocre players, so after some time, they arent learning as much OR being pushed as hard, which ultimately would lessen the quality of player being produced in canada.

also, if the canadian system is so f'd up, how come it is still EASILY the main pipeline for talent to the NHL?
- Dozzer

And there it is, folks - CHL produces the most NHL players, so the CHL can't be criticized.

But sending a 15 year old 2,000 km away to live with a family he's never met is a good way to run a league. Have him work for peanuts, while the owner sells tickets at a profit.

It's a league based on slave labour.

just leave it as is.. its working fine.

marner playing junior for a couple more years wont hurt him.. he will be playing under Dale Hunter.. who will coach him using the more than obvious pipeline of commentary and advice from the leafs, he will lead the team for 2 years, play in a couple WJCs and get some world experience, and likely a couple deep playoff runs

all as the go to guy

he wouldnt get any of that playing with the marlies.
- Dozzer

Nylander did.

and people say Kessel had attitude problems and was a locker room cancer.

Jesus...
- Pecafan Fan

We need a goat for when Phaneuf leaves

Simple tweak: Any 1st round pick is AHL eligible.
- Atomic Wedgie

are you just conveniently ignoring my point on this?

you want to deplete the CHL of its highest end talent and you dont think thats going to effect the quality of player coming out of the league?

We need a goat for when Phaneuf leaves
- twiztedmike

He got cut this morning.

Simple tweak: Any 1st round pick is AHL eligible.
- Atomic Wedgie

I like the way you think.

Nylander did.
- mykokes

nylander did not

he got secondary minutes .. if nylander was playing in the CHL.. he would have been a leader and prime line 1 guy

this year is nylanders year to lead the marlies.. maybe even next year as well

And there it is, folks - CHL produces the most NHL players, so the CHL can't be criticized.

But sending a 15 year old 2,000 km away to live with a family he's never met is a good way to run a league. Have him work for peanuts, while the owner sells tickets at a profit.

It's a league based on slave labour.
- Atomic Wedgie

Magnitogorsk is like 10,000kms away...

But if I were 15 being that far from the rents would be a (frank)ing dream come true.

are you just conveniently ignoring my point on this?

you want to deplete the CHL of its highest end talent and you dont think thats going to effect the quality of player coming out of the league?
- Dozzer

I think if Marner plays on the Marlies next year, another Canadian kid will get the opportunity to be on the 1st line and 1st line PP, furthering that kid's development.

And I think it would be of greater benefit for Marner to play in the AHL. This year is great for him back in the O - next year could very well just be retarding his development.

are you just conveniently ignoring my point on this?

you want to deplete the CHL of its highest end talent and you dont think thats going to effect the quality of player coming out of the league?
- Dozzer

Not all will make the jump. four or five per a draft at most.

nylander did not

he got secondary minutes .. if nylander was playing in the CHL.. he would have been a leader and prime line 1 guy

this year is nylanders year to lead the marlies.. maybe even next year as well
- Dozzer

I think he'll play with the Leafs.

Simple tweak: Any 1st round pick is AHL eligible.
- Atomic Wedgie

That works too ...

Magnitogorsk is like 10,000kms away...

But if I were 15 being that far from the rents would be a (frank)ing dream come true.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Being 10000km away from magnitogorsk would be the dream

I think if Marner plays on the Marlies next year, another Canadian kid will get the opportunity to be on the 1st line and 1st line PP, furthering that kid's development.

And I think it would be of greater benefit for Marner to play in the AHL. This year is great for him back in the O - next year could very well just be retarding his development.
- Atomic Wedgie

especially if he racks up even more points in the OHL.

Magnitogorsk is like 10,000kms away...

But if I were 15 being that far from the rents would be a (frank)ing dream come true.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

I'm sure it would be.

I just have sincere doubts that would be good for your future.

One of my BFFs from public school went to the Soo. They talked a really good game about how school was the #1 priority, blah blah blah. The reality was 100% different once he landed there.

And the stories about Bob Probert's time there were truly frightening (the stories were still quite fresh when my friend arrived there).

I think if Marner plays on the Marlies next year, another Canadian kid will get the opportunity to be on the 1st line and 1st line PP, furthering that kid's development.

And I think it would be of greater benefit for Marner to play in the AHL. This year is great for him back in the O - next year could very well just be retarding his development.
- Atomic Wedgie

Marner still won't be AHL eligible next year either, Wedge.

just leave it as is.. its working fine.

marner playing junior for a couple more years wont hurt him.. he will be playing under Dale Hunter.. who will coach him using the more than obvious pipeline of commentary and advice from the leafs, he will lead the team for 2 years, play in a couple WJCs and get some world experience, and likely a couple deep playoff runs

all as the go to guy

he wouldnt get any of that playing with the marlies.
- Dozzer

I'm not speaking about Marner specifically - although it'd be nice for the Leafs to have a 3rd option if necessary next fall. Lots of kids fall into that 'too good but not good enough' category. Options are not a bad thing and teams aren't going to intentionally make poor decisions with their investments.

I think if Marner plays on the Marlies next year, another Canadian kid will get the opportunity to be on the 1st line and 1st line PP, furthering that kid's development.

And I think it would be of greater benefit for Marner to play in the AHL. This year is great for him back in the O - next year could very well just be retarding his development.
- Atomic Wedgie

by your logic any round 1 pick can go to the AHL

so at 18 the best go.. then the kids coming in never actually have to play against developed talent.. which would ultimately lessen the effectiveness of the CHL as a development league

ALSO.. most teams are not toronto so to have someone else pay to develop their prospects that doesnt cost them RFA years is a huge bonus

Being 10000km away from magnitogorsk would be the dream
- TheMussel

It's probably no worse than Montreal