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Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Sep 23 @ 11:06 AM ET
what I dont get is how Polak is terrible at reducing chances and getting pucks out. terrible gf/ga% He is fine.. Gardiner is the opposite but sucks
- senstroll


polak needs a strong system

he doesnt have the wheels or skill to just take it out himself

he was also used against strong opposition forwards cause guys like gardiner could barely contain bottom 6ers
zazzle
Joined: 01.19.2013

Sep 23 @ 11:06 AM ET
@SWhyno: #Leafs cut down to the 46 players (2 teams) Babcock wanted to keep around. Gauthier, Leipsic, Leivo to AHL camp, Dermott, others back to JR.
- burn



I was wondering when the next set of cuts were to take place.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: At the centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Sep 23 @ 11:06 AM ET
watch Gardiner's after game interview from last night. He was asked what Babs was telling him on the bench all game long. He said "just the small details, telling me about things I didn't even know I was doing wrong, like stick positioning and how to play along the boards."

If this is the case, and he actually learns and applies what he is being told, I can't see how his game doesn't improve.

- vermie22

This perfectly describes Gardiner.

I think the guy has a huge upside.

But wow, does he ever have to learn to play hockey properly.
zazzle
Joined: 01.19.2013

Sep 23 @ 11:06 AM ET


The swiss chalet roast beef is looking good. Ah lunch time is soon for me.
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Sep 23 @ 11:06 AM ET
what I dont get is how Polak is terrible at reducing chances and getting pucks out. terrible gf/ga% He is fine.. Gardiner is the opposite but sucks
- senstroll


If Babcock can get the game tilted back towards the other end of the ice more often then everyone will quickly start praising Gardiner, Reilly, Phaneuf and realizing that the low-skill guys are now liabilities.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Sep 23 @ 11:07 AM ET
What about him?
- Pecafan Fan

Mediocre
mykokes
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: RELEASE THE LATVIAN!, ON
Joined: 11.09.2009

Sep 23 @ 11:07 AM ET
wait!

Joffrey Lupul is the Kelly Gruber of hockey!!!!


- Dozzer


gruber was fine until he wrecked his shoulder.
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Sep 23 @ 11:07 AM ET
This perfectly describes Gardiner.

I think the guy has a huge upside.

But wow, does he ever have to learn to play hockey properly.

- Atomic Wedgie


The only thing that stick with me from last night is when Gardiner tried to skate the puck out of the d zone but skated it into two habs and almost turned over a 2v0
Phenom
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: TITS baby, TITS - Trust In The Shanaplan, ON
Joined: 08.12.2010

Sep 23 @ 11:08 AM ET
watch Gardiner's after game interview from last night. He was asked what Babs was telling him on the bench all game long. He said "just the small details, telling me about things I didn't even know I was doing wrong, like stick positioning and how to play along the boards."

If this is the case, and he actually learns and applies what he is being told, I can't see how his game doesn't improve.

- vermie22


If he didn't know stick positioning and board play until now, htf has he made it this far as a defenseman?
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Sep 23 @ 11:08 AM ET
Mediocre
- AdamFrench


Yeah, it sucks his offensive game didn't follow him at the pro level.
mykokes
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: RELEASE THE LATVIAN!, ON
Joined: 11.09.2009

Sep 23 @ 11:08 AM ET
@SWhyno: #Leafs cut down to the 46 players (2 teams) Babcock wanted to keep around. Gauthier, Leipsic, Leivo to AHL camp, Dermott, others back to JR.
- burn


surprised so soon.
vermie22
Joined: 07.13.2011

Sep 23 @ 11:08 AM ET
This perfectly describes Gardiner.

I think the guy has a huge upside.

But wow, does he ever have to learn to play hockey properly.

- Atomic Wedgie


exactly and I think MB loves the challenge to teach and mold and will be working like mad to impart his knowledge on the whole roster. We will have to wait and see if Gardiner can apply what he is being taught.
mykokes
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: RELEASE THE LATVIAN!, ON
Joined: 11.09.2009

Sep 23 @ 11:08 AM ET
If he didn't know stick positioning and board play until now, htf has he made it this far as a defenseman?
- Phenom


skating.
senstroll
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Long Time Oilers Fan, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Sep 23 @ 11:09 AM ET
polak needs a strong system

he doesnt have the wheels or skill to just take it out himself

he was also used against strong opposition forwards cause guys like gardiner could barely contain bottom 6ers

- Dozzer



I think you are just making excuses for Polak, which is exactly what I mean.. he gets a pass.

And I dont believe your last statement
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: At the centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Sep 23 @ 11:09 AM ET
I was wondering when the next set of cuts were to take place.
- zazzle

Sorry to have to tell you this, Zazzie, but Dozzer wants to see you in his office.

Please bring your playbook.
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Sep 23 @ 11:09 AM ET
The ozone is where it seems his head is at mostt times.
- Phenom


I'm ok with that. Lets get the game there more often and we'll need a few guys like him.

But yes, he needs/can get better in his own end as well.
vermie22
Joined: 07.13.2011

Sep 23 @ 11:10 AM ET
If he didn't know stick positioning and board play until now, htf has he made it this far as a defenseman?
- Phenom


he can skate better than 90% of the league.
Phenom
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: TITS baby, TITS - Trust In The Shanaplan, ON
Joined: 08.12.2010

Sep 23 @ 11:10 AM ET
what I dont get is how Polak is terrible at reducing chances and getting pucks out. terrible gf/ga% He is fine.. Gardiner is the opposite but sucks
- senstroll


Cones down to expectations. Plus Polak is a tough mf'er and a great teammate.
mykokes
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: RELEASE THE LATVIAN!, ON
Joined: 11.09.2009

Sep 23 @ 11:10 AM ET
ol exhibition stadium.. saw them play the A's there YEARS ago
- Dozzer


me too! Mickey Tettleton handed me a ball as he was warming up Ek...the real Ek.
CanadianBodmon
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.04.2011

Sep 23 @ 11:11 AM ET
So.. why isnt Jake Gardiner playing LW?
Phenom
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: TITS baby, TITS - Trust In The Shanaplan, ON
Joined: 08.12.2010

Sep 23 @ 11:11 AM ET
The swiss chalet roast beef is looking good. Ah lunch time is soon for me.
- zazzle


(frank), I haven't even gotten out of bed yet.
zazzle
Joined: 01.19.2013

Sep 23 @ 11:11 AM ET
gruber was fine until he wrecked his shoulder.
- mykokes



He also hold a record in the playoffs too.

0 for 40 err something like that.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Sep 23 @ 11:11 AM ET
gards has a ton of skill

and when the puck is on his stick he is fine

its his play away from the puck.. and so long as he has more brains in that skull of his than say.. a fly on a pile of poop, babs will be able to teach him

i will bet Babs is looking at Gardiner as something to mold.

- Dozzer

Gardiner is a good player when it comes to just playing on instinct.


When he has to think about a play, that's when he runs into problems.


If he can get best practices in the dzone drilled into his head until it becomes instinct... he could be a reliable top-4 guy.
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Sep 23 @ 11:12 AM ET
Guys like Gardiner will always look suspect when the team is on their heels and spending 60% of the game in their own zone. If Babcock can get the game evened out that'll mean more time in the Ozone and guys like Gardiner and Reilly will look much better.
- The Law


thats all i am saying.. what gardiner lacks can be taught imo.. i am saying nothing more.. but now that he has a good teacher, it will be on him to learn it
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Sep 23 @ 11:12 AM ET
what I dont get is how Polak is terrible at reducing chances and getting pucks out. terrible gf/ga% He is fine.. Gardiner is the opposite but sucks
- senstroll



I don't get why you constantly defend a guy...Gardiner is just not that great. Franson has some good #'s too...I don't see you defending him to the grave?

When Gardiner drops the puck and runs to avoid a hit...is constantly out of position and isn't that great offensively?

I havent watched this year ( so going off his Leafs days so far )

I'm hoping he has a great year and proves me wrong

Polak's ok...I've never said he's got great skill...but he can play a role and isn't afraid to do some of the little things.
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