http://www.csnphilly.com/hockey-philadelphia-flyers/flyers-notes-nick-schultz-dave-hakstol-emphasis-placed-puck-moving-day-2

Major change in neutral zone defense. The biggest difference im thinking is that Hak will want his d very involved in all zones of the ice. A more fluid 5 man operation with more interchangeable responsibilities would be my guess
- Just5

The article talks about what's different. No need to guess.

- KINGKENZO

cowboys suck! (frank) dallas!

Quick, somebody pop into Ek's main thread and explain to him that Brayden Schenn's a core piece, line designations mean nothing and no messages are being sent

The guy just isn't productive enough for the opportunities he has been given, and his inconsistency doesn't help the Flyers win games.

You want to try to paint it as something pathological, like you know me well enough to pretend like you can figure me out. When you have to call the guy a top-9 forward because he hasn't been remotely good enough to be considered more than that

I paint it as a team that has missed the playoffs twice in the last three seasons, and Brayden Schenn has been a passenger for far too many stretches

He's just another guy. You desperately want to be right about him, desperately want him to be better than he has shown himself to be, over and over and over

When sometimes, you're just another guy and are replaceable. Simple as that
- AllInForFlyers

It's really not as simple as that. I think most would agree, that B Schenn has an issue with inconsistency in his game, and he need to improve in that area to take the next step as a player. That's a fair criticism. What's not fair, and not only is it no fair, but it's also false, is labeling Schenn just another guy and replaceable. That is totally false, and just flat out wrong. I think it's obvious that you have some kind of bias against Schenn when you label him that, and make a determination that he's not part of the core because of a line he's playing on in the early days of camp. Even with the inconsistency in his game, his point total increased last year. He remains a talented young player, capable of scoring 20 or more goals, and 45 or more points. He still has potential to get better. Despite what you think, that is not just another guy in this league. If Schenn was just another guy and replaceable, he'd already be gone, and replaced with a cheaper "another guy".

Quick, somebody pop into Ek's main thread and explain to him that Brayden Schenn's a core piece, line designations mean nothing and no messages are being sent
- AllInForFlyers

If both Shenn's are as you describe them as players, why would other teams be asking about them? Not sure why teams would be kicking the tires on just another guy that is replaceable. Media likes to invent stories, and drive hits to a web site.

Line designations on the 3rd day of camp, mean nothing.


Are you ready to concede that Lecavalier is going to center the 3rd line?

If both Shenn's are as you describe them as players, why would other teams be asking about them? Media like to invent stories, and drive hits to a web site.

Line designations on the 3rd day of camp, mean nothing.


Are you ready to concede that Lecavalier is going to center the 3rd line?
- MJL

You are the one linking Lecavalier to Schenn, not me -- where Wheels is playing is as baffling to me as where Schenn is

You are the one linking Lecavalier to Schenn, not me -- where Wheels is playing is as baffling to me as where Schenn is
- AllInForFlyers

That's incorrect, I'm not linking Lecavalier to Schenn. I'm linking the premise that if where Schenn is playing means something, then so does where Lecavalier is playing, means something, early in camp. If Schenn playing on the line that he is early in camp, means that he's not a core player and is out, then where Lecavalier is playing must mean he's in. Two way street.

If both Shenn's are as you describe them as players, why would other teams be asking about them? Not sure why teams would be kicking the tires on just another guy that is replaceable. Media likes to invent stories, and drive hits to a web site.

Line designations on the 3rd day of camp, mean nothing.


Are you ready to concede that Lecavalier is going to center the 3rd line?
- MJL

Hamburger gonna center the 4 Laughton the 2 head on

If both Shenn's are as you describe them as players, why would other teams be asking about them? Not sure why teams would be kicking the tires on just another guy that is replaceable. Media likes to invent stories, and drive hits to a web site.

Line designations on the 3rd day of camp, mean nothing.


Are you ready to concede that Lecavalier is going to center the 3rd line?
- MJL

And by the way, there are always teams who think they can get more out of guys than their previous teams -- professional sports, not just hockey, has always been like that

Sam Bradford's an Eagle because Chip Kelly thought he could get more out of him than the Rams did and could

That's why you call about the Schenns -- who I also acknowledge are NHL players. But Brayden Schenn is overrated, and saying he scored more points last year than the year before is true, but you need to acknowledge that is because he took Scott Hartnell's place on the PP

Without those PP points, he actually would have had fewer points than he did the previous season

Some see the career-high in points and see upside. I see a guy who stagnated and got free points on a PP that would've scored without him

To each their own

And by the way, there are always teams who think they can get more out of guys than their previous teams -- professional sports, not just hockey, has always been like that

Sam Bradford's an Eagle because Chip Kelly thought he could get more out of him than the Rams did and could

That's why you call about the Schenns -- who I also acknowledge are NHL players. But Brayden Schenn is overrated, and saying he scored more points last year than the year before is true, but you need to acknowledge that is because he took Scott Hartnell's place on the PP

Without those PP points, he actually would have had fewer points than he did the previous season

Some see the career-high in points and see upside. I see a guy who stagnated and got free points on a PP that would've scored without him

To each their own
- AllInForFlyers

If you, a fan knows that Schenn is just another guy, and is replaceable, then surely NHL GM's know that also. So why would they be interested. If you don't dodge that question and are honest with it, you know why they would be.

Sam Bradford has zero to do with this, but anyway, Kelly thinks Bradford is more talented that Foles is, and he's right. Either way, that's irrelevant to the Schenn situation.

How is Schenn overrated. Most feel he has not played up to his full potential, to this point, so I don't think you're right about that.

Saying without those points , he would have had less points than last year, is absurd.

Now the points he got on the PP are free, and they would've scored anyway. The bias is becoming clearer and clearer.

If you, a fan knows that Schenn is just another guy, and is replaceable, then surely NHL GM's know that also.

Sam Bradford has zero to do with this, but anyway, Kelly thinks Bradford is more talented that Foles is, and he's right. either way, that's irrelevant to the Schenn situation.

How is Schenn overrated. Most feel he has not played up to his full potential, to this point, so I don't think you're right about that.

Saying without those points he wouldn't he would have had less points than last year, is absurd.

Now the points he got on the PP are free, and they would've scored anyway. The bias is becoming clearer and clearer.
- MJL

You calling someone else biased is what's absurd -- there is nothing anyone can say about a player on the Flyers that you won't defend. That, MJL, is bias.

Saying "most feel he hasn't played to his full potential" is an opinion based on your personal bias that there is more to his game. You don't know that there is. There is nothing in Schenn's body of work that has ever said that he is more than an inconsistent player who can score in bunches.

Your bias makes you believe, and state, that there is more. I look at the guy and don't share that opinion.

I wish there was, hope there is. Because for now, he's on the Flyers.

But I definitely don't feel that he's a lock to REMAIN on the Flyers. At all, actually. And on the day he's no longer a Flyer, if and when that comes, it'll be because someone else shares the opinion that there's nothing more there than what we've already seen.

It talks a bit about system specifics that are different. My guess was a generalization of what I believe we'll notice to be the biggest difference from a Berube to a hakstol coached team

You calling someone else biased is what's absurd -- there is nothing anyone can say about a player on the Flyers that you won't defend. That, MJL, is bias.


- AllInForFlyers

Completely false. You and I have had conversations about B Schenn and the issue he has with inconcistency, and we've agreed in the past that he disappears for long stretches of games. I even referenced his inconsistency issue in this thread.

Saying "most feel he hasn't played to his full potential" is an opinion based on your personal bias that there is more to his game. You don't know that there is. There is nothing in Schenn's body of work that has ever said that he is more than an inconsistent player who can score in bunches.


- AllInForFlyers

Saying he hasn't reached his potential has zero to do with bias. He was the 5th pick overall in the draft, and at one time was considered the top prospect in hockey. It's clear that to this point, he has not reached that potential.

Your bias makes you believe, and state, that there is more. I look at the guy and don't share that opinion.

I wish there was, hope there is. Because for now, he's on the Flyers.


- AllInForFlyers

That's fine if you don't think he's going to get better. Still doesn't make him just another guy and replaceable. 20 goals and 45 points is still good production for an NHL player.

But I definitely don't feel that he's a lock to REMAIN on the Flyers. At all, actually. And on the day he's no longer a Flyer, if and when that comes, it'll be because someone else shares the opinion that there's nothing more there than what we've already seen.
- AllInForFlyers

You're making as assumption there. There's various reasons why players are traded. Sometimes it's because a team has a surplus of good players at one position, say at center, and deal for a player to shore up another area, say at LW.

You calling someone else biased is what's absurd -- there is nothing anyone can say about a player on the Flyers that you won't defend. That, MJL, is bias.

Saying "most feel he hasn't played to his full potential" is an opinion based on your personal bias that there is more to his game. You don't know that there is. There is nothing in Schenn's body of work that has ever said that he is more than an inconsistent player who can score in bunches.

Your bias makes you believe, and state, that there is more. I look at the guy and don't share that opinion.

I wish there was, hope there is. Because for now, he's on the Flyers.

But I definitely don't feel that he's a lock to REMAIN on the Flyers. At all, actually. And on the day he's no longer a Flyer, if and when that comes, it'll be because someone else shares the opinion that there's nothing more there than what we've already seen.
- AllInForFlyers

Ha

Every time Allin posts I imagine him emotionally reciting his post, like an angst ridden teen at a poetry contest.

Every time Allin posts I imagine him emotionally reciting his post, like an angst ridden teen at a poetry contest.
- Giroux_Is_God

now that you've called him Allin i will forever picture him as GG Allin

The guy just isn't productive enough for the opportunities he has been given, and his inconsistency doesn't help the Flyers win games.

You want to try to paint it as something pathological, like you know me well enough to pretend like you can figure me out. When you have to call the guy a top-9 forward because he hasn't been remotely good enough to be considered more than that

I paint it as a team that has missed the playoffs twice in the last three seasons, and Brayden Schenn has been a passenger for far too many stretches

He's just another guy. You desperately want to be right about him, desperately want him to be better than he has shown himself to be, over and over and over

When sometimes, you're just another guy and are replaceable. Simple as that
- AllInForFlyers

BSchen is replaceable. I have never said he wasn't. All I've done is ask you who he would be traded for and you have no idea. As an RFA a trade is the only way he will be replaced.

I've said multiple times in multiple venues that his performance on the 1st line last year was troublingly poor. I didn't buy a BSchenn shirt or use a BSchenn avatar so I have no particular attachment to him. But the virulent antipathy you have for him is tiresome and unwarranted, and the way you interpret everything that happens as a sign the Flyers agree with you about him is absurd.