What do you guys think the Flyers would/could get for Streit, B Schenn package?

say IF Ivan and Morin, or Ghost, really do impress and beat out the vets... Streit is the easiest one to move / has the most to offer for another club.
- arichardson22

Well 2 picks and Gudas for Coburn and 2 2nds for a 40 year old with blood clots, I couldn't tell who's worth what anymore.

Well 2 picks and Gudas for Coburn and 2 2nds for a 40 year old with blood clots, I couldn't tell who's worth what anymore.
- MatveiDmitrii

Even with some possible slippage in Coburn's game, he was still a Top-4 defender, so he was gonna get that kind of haul.

The Timonen thing is still a bit of a stunner, but it's long been proven that numerous clubs don't really place a lot of value of second-rounders, because, well, a lot of them simply do not make any impact at the NHL level

That's what is bizarre to me -- no one is looking at a single member of that line and saying "whoa, that guy is the missing piece for us"

Wheels is on an NMC, so, yeah. Fine. He's going nowhere

No clue how healthy Umberger truly is, and no clue if Gagner has an NHL game that is going to translate for him to even be a factor this season

But it's just an odd line in that the contract statuses, health history and performance issues of all three makes them just a bizarre fit, and if you are just trying to keep them away from Brayden Schenn for that reason, it's just going to be hard to hide anybody from them for very long
- AllInForFlyers

IMO its for competition. These three all know they have the most to prove out of anyone on the roster. To see which of the three, or even which two of the three, carries and pushes the line most; who's the most dead weight, if any of them significantly out work the other, etc

Even with some possible slippage in Coburn's game, he was still a Top-4 defender, so he was gonna get that kind of haul.

The Timonen thing is still a bit of a stunner, but it's long been proven that numerous clubs don't really place a lot of value of second-rounders, because, well, a lot of them simply do not make any impact at the NHL level
- AllInForFlyers

Somehow I think Streit and Brayden would fetch more than we'd think.

Somehow I think Streit and Brayden would fetch more than we'd think.
- MatveiDmitrii

It's tough because you're not going to get a lotto pick because a non contender won't want Streit. Maybe a top prospect that can't get on the ice on a good team. Drouin comes to mind but we'd have to include more. A lot more.

Somehow I think Streit and Brayden would fetch more than we'd think.
- MatveiDmitrii

Through the last 2 and a half seasons which is basically the same 2 and a half seasons jvr had and jvr had a consistent position Schenn has not, about same age. Jvr had 47 goals and 99 points. B Schenn 46 goals 104 points.

So basically we can get Luke Schenn for b Schenn

LOL but in reality he's a lot like jvr different game but an inconsistent producer who the team doesn't see as a core piece. And he may have the same value somewhere as jvr now does in toronto. So I'd say we should be able to get a lot for him.

Somehow I think Streit and Brayden would fetch more than we'd think.
- MatveiDmitrii

Sure -- Streit gets you a first (late), and someone would take a flyer on Schenn because of his age. But that would be a player-for-player. Don't think they'd get a first for Schenn. Maybe a couple of seconds

It's tough because you're not going to get a lotto pick because a non contender won't want Streit. Maybe a top prospect that can't get on the ice on a good team. Deouin comes to mind but we'd have to include more.
- hereticpride

Streit? A first rounder third rounder and descent prospect? Coburn V 2.0 only team adds a prospect with nhl potential.

Was there today for the early practice. Fast pace. The scrimmage game at the end was a treat to see.

Fun watching Morin and Ghost work as a pair.

LOVE SEEING HOCKEY!!!

Even with some possible slippage in Coburn's game, he was still a Top-4 defender, so he was gonna get that kind of haul.

The Timonen thing is still a bit of a stunner, but it's long been proven that numerous clubs don't really place a lot of value of second-rounders, because, well, a lot of them simply do not make any impact at the NHL level
- AllInForFlyers

Funny you bring up what we were able to get for Coburn who not only had an off season but also couldn't remain healthy. So much is being made of Radko Gudas and I hope he meets these very high expectations that fans have created for him. At the end of the day though, Gudas was still traded. Tampa's defense was already good before the trade, Gudas is like 6 years younger than Coburn and makes like a quarter of what Coburn makes. If Tampa was that high on Gudas, they could have afforded to wait out his injury. How far over the top does Brayden Coburn put you with the type of season he was already having?

Was there today for the early practice. Fast pace. The scrimmage game at the end was a treat to see.

Fun watching Morin and Ghost work as a pair.

LOVE SEEING HOCKEY!!!


- ggunky

BUT DID BRAYDEN SCHENN SCORE

Funny you bring up what we were able to get for Coburn who not only had an off season but also couldn't remain healthy. So much is being made of Radko Gudas and I hope he meets these very high expectations that fans have created for him. At the end of the day though, Gudas was still traded. Tampa's defense was already good before the trade, Gudas is like 6 years younger than Coburn and makes like a quarter of what Coburn makes. If Tampa was that high on Gudas, they could have afforded to wait out his injury. How far over the top does Brayden Coburn put you with the type of season he was already having?
- SuperSchennBros

I honestly don't have any particular expectations of Gudas -- I've seen him play, do some good things and not-so-good things, but not nearly enough to have a real opinion of how I think he'll help or hurt the Flyers

He has ability. But so do a lot of guys

I honestly don't have any particular expectations of Gudas -- I've seen him play, do some good things and not-so-good things, but not nearly enough to have a real opinion of how I think he'll help or hurt the Flyers

He has ability. But so do a lot of guys
- AllInForFlyers

Just for the record, I'm excited to see Radko Gudas play. I like the physical, in your face style of Flyers Hockey. With this said, when comparing Gudas to Luke Schenn for example, Luke Schenn can play an over powering physical style without taking meat headed penalties. If we're trying to become more discipline, Gudas isn't a fit. Their skating and offensive numbers might actually be a wash. It's the money that gives Gudas an edge.

Was there today for the early practice. Fast pace. The scrimmage game at the end was a treat to see.

Fun watching Morin and Ghost work as a pair.

LOVE SEEING HOCKEY!!!


- ggunky

Heard cousins line stood out. And Morin gost has had mixed reviews..any the young guys stand out to you ?

Just for the record, I'm excited to see Radko Gudas play. I like the physical, in your face style of Flyers Hockey. With this said, when comparing Gudas to Luke Schenn for example, Luke Schenn can play an over powering physical style without taking meat headed penalties. If we're trying to become more discipline, Gudas isn't a fit. Their skating and offensive numbers might actually be a wash. It's the money that gives Gudas an edge.
- SuperSchennBros

In a capped league, though, money is a very real factor between similar players expected to fill a similar role

It's early in camp, yet. But I don't care what anyone says, Schenn starting with Brandon Manning doesn't bode well for where the Flyers see him -- it's not like they put the Russian with Manning, or Gudas

What do you guys think the Flyers would/could get for Streit, B Schenn package?

say IF Ivan and Morin, or Ghost, really do impress and beat out the vets... Streit is the easiest one to move / has the most to offer for another club.
- arichardson22

You'd probably get more for them if you traded them each separately and at TDL

- Crimsoninja

no

Even with some possible slippage in Coburn's game, he was still a Top-4 defender, so he was gonna get that kind of haul.

The Timonen thing is still a bit of a stunner, but it's long been proven that numerous clubs don't really place a lot of value of second-rounders, because, well, a lot of them simply do not make any impact at the NHL level
- AllInForFlyers

I think the Blackhawks decided to just take a chance. If Kimmo was able to return to his 2013-14 ability, he would have been well worth the picks. He'd been such a steady player for such a long time. I was pretty surprised by how ineffective he was for them despite the blood clots and lost time. I thought he'd be a solid 2nd pair guy.

no
- ob18

Accept it

no
- ob18

He and S2TP are known Raffl haters

Agreed. I think hasktol made a statement when Laughton was put with the nhl group. I also think pairing him with Schenn whose seen as a top 9 shows they want him to make this team.

Gagner honestly did not impress me yesterday. At all. I almost forgot he was there.
- Tfaehner

Hakstol has said multiple times that there is a clean slate and he was going into camp without any preconceived notions towards players. I doubt his intent was to make a statement. I think far too much is being read into the line combos.

Accept it
- Crimsoninja

nope

LOL

I have the same "deep-seated issues" with Brayden Schenn that a guy like Dave Maloney had with Sam Gagner's 41 points last season, yet still cut him loose

It's amazing how the media who cover the team asked the same questions yesterday about the Schenns, but "a few people" who reflexively defend him just can't seem to swallow the fact that he clearly isn't someone who the Flyers view as a core piece

Brayden Schenn is just another player on the roster who fills a role. His placement in practice shows it. His contract status shows it. His performance thus far in his career is the reason for it

Any deep-seated issues "a few people" have would be cleared right up if he played better over 82 games, period
- AllInForFlyers

Where to begin! First of all, what evidence is there that the Flyers don't view B. Schenn as a core piece? Do you honestly believe that a new coach, on day 1 is going to make line decisions based on that, or is he perhaps just trying to get a look at different lineups? What if B Schenn is on a top line for a pre season game? Would that mean that they changed their mind and now view him as a core player?
Funny thing about a contract. There are two sides. Perhaps the player wants to see how things go this season, to perhaps get more leverage? There are a lot of possible reasons why he may not have been re-signed to this point. Perhaps his demands are too high for Hextall at this point.

There are quite a number of players on this team who we'd like to see play better over 82 games.

Quick, everybody:

Which top-9 forward opened his contract-drive season playing with two guys whose career highs in points in a season is eight and six, although one was a rookie? With one of those players on a two-way contract, and the other not subject to waivers -- meaning they could very easily not even be on the opening night roster, because the Lehigh Valley Phantoms are calling?

Was it Claude Giroux? Jakub Voracek? Wayne Simmonds?

A once-crippled R.J. Umberger? How about Coyotes discard Sam Gagner?

Nope, it was wunderkind Brayden Schenn, who, amazingly enough, no one should ask how odd it is for HIM to be on that line, of all the forwards the Flyers have

Nothing to see there!
- AllInForFlyers

You convinced me. After a couple of days of training camp, with a brand new coach, B. Schenn is obviously in the doghouse and on the outs. Only a matter of time until he's gone.