LOL
Setoguchi for a 2nd rounder......yes that is magic.
Also, unless the team is doing real bad....I dont see the leafs unloading too many players like last year.
- Fakepartofme

what are you talking about?

their loading up on one year contracts

they intend to let these guys re-establish their careers if they can and flip them for whatever they can get

the plan is so glaringly obvious i have a hard time fathoming how some people on here cant see it.

Just saying, management must not have seen them in future plans as they have better prospects in mind...it was like a locker cleanout before the season begins.

brought in the talent that may help w rebuild or return at deadline.
- Lucas.Neilson

I know that if these PTO guys and Grabner can manage a good season and if the Leafs can find trade partner's willing to bite, it could end up being a good move...but I personally would never manage anything with that many ifs and coulds involved.

And Gardiner - package the pair for air!!!

Lucas this had nothing to do with it, one or two have not even played games for the Marlies. This was a contract number problem, through and through.
- LeafMan

I understand that, but there is a lot more to it than that.

Look at our prospects list, then add in all of the picks next year and voila, we have to make room one way or another, so move a few guys who dont fit and get 1 guy who has some worth and hope it pans out.

I really don't see any of those players becoming big pieces in the future. Not one of them.

what are you talking about?

their loading up on one year contracts

they intend to let these guys re-establish their careers if they can and flip them for whatever they can get

the plan is so glaringly obvious i have a hard time fathoming how some people on here cant see it.
- Dozzer

The brilliant part is, if none of them work out, no loss for Toronto. They need to ice a team, and they're doing it. They will just have to find more 1-year deals next year. Be the nursing/rehab facility for a few years while the real team develops, and take benefits when they're available.

Finn was behind Percy, Harrington, Brennan, Granberg, Loov, Valiev and even Nilsson on the Marlies depth chart and that's not including the guys who are currently playing for the leafs or guys like Dermott in junior who will make it long before him. Finn was never going to play for the Leafs.
- HealthyScratch6

exactly

none of the guys they traded were shoe ins by any stretch

also

how many burke/nonis era picks are actually playing on the leafs?

kadri and rielly? i dont think there is another.. i could be wrong

Finn was behind Percy, Harrington, Brennan, Granberg, Loov, Valiev and even Nilsson on the Marlies depth chart and that's not including the guys who are currently playing for the leafs or guys like Dermott in junior who will make it long before him. Finn was never going to play for the Leafs.
- HealthyScratch6

Agreed, his ceiling is a 5-6 D man.

I'm hoping Percy and Harringon are ready to make the jump next season.

Auston Matthews here we come

JVR-Bozak-Grabner
Lupus-Kadri-PAPsmear
Matthias-Holland-Boyes
Komarov-Spaling-Winnik
Arcobello

Young rebuilding team

On the bright side, Go Garret Sparks!

what are you talking about?

their loading up on one year contracts

they intend to let these guys re-establish their careers if they can and flip them for whatever they can get

the plan is so glaringly obvious i have a hard time fathoming how some people on here cant see it.
- Dozzer

the genius of the plan is beyond many people

The brilliant part is, if none of them work out, no loss for Toronto. They need to ice a team, and they're doing it. They will just have to find more 1-year deals next year. Be the nursing/rehab facility for a few years while the real team develops, and take benefits when they're available.
- SolidGoldBricks

yeah.. i really like this deal

moved out a bunch of guys who were just going to end up being in the way of prospects thee leafs new brass actually want to invest in.. allows them to sign a couple of the PTOs, gives them flexibility when looking at trades through the season

for what?

some prospects from the burke and nonis era that have about as much chance of becoming leafs as any of us do. deep down the depth charts those guys were

I understand that, but there is a lot more to it than that.

Look at our prospects list, then add in all of the picks next year and voila, we have to make room one way or another, so move a few guys who dont fit and get 1 guy who has some worth and hope it pans out.

I really don't see any of those players becoming big pieces in the future. Not one of them.
- Lucas.Neilson

We won't know because none of have gone though development. All I'm saying is that this contradicts everything management has been saying since last season ended. They screwed up signing all those contracts without thinking it through and it caught up to them, they were suppose be smart, well they weren't.

I know that if these PTO guys and Grabner can manage a good season and if the Leafs can find trade partner's willing to bite, it could end up being a good move...but I personally would never manage anything with that many ifs and coulds involved.
- vermie22

Grabner has worth at the NHL level.

Chances at him getting us a return that we can use (pick/prospect) are better than all of those other players becoming anything for Toronto.

I didnt make that decision thats just my assumption as to why they made this trade.

Hoping for a decent return or sign him, and remove guys they didn't want.

Auston Matthews here we come

JVR-Bozak-Grabner
Lupus-Kadri-PAPsmear
Matthias-Holland-Boyes
Komarov-Spaling-Winnik
Arcobello

Young rebuilding team
- AdamFrench

that is what i would expect an expansion team to look like.

Auston Matthews here we come

JVR-Bozak-Grabner
Lupus-Kadri-PAPsmear
Matthias-Holland-Boyes
Komarov-Spaling-Winnik
Arcobello

Young rebuilding team
- AdamFrench

Where's Glencross?

still piss poor asset management.
- vermie22

Which one of the five stiffs we unloaded could actually be called assets?

Leafs Nation needs to relax.

Our criticism of the team for the past 25 years has been that they have been willing to trade the future for the present.

None of the five stiffs we just traded could in any way be considered to be part of the Leafs' future (or at least not going to make any significant impact on the future).

We gave up absolutely nothing, lowered the contract count, and improved the power play.

Edit: we improved the PK. Sorry

It won't win us a Stanley Cup, but what the hell, we are marginally better today than we were yesterday, and it won't negatively affect our future.

Although maybe I'm just sweet on the Leafs today, because I just picked up my tix, and they gave me a Leafs shaving kit!!!!!

Finn was behind Percy, Harrington, Brennan, Granberg, Loov, Valiev and even Nilsson on the Marlies depth chart and that's not including the guys who are currently playing for the leafs or guys like Dermott in junior who will make it long before him. Finn was never going to play for the Leafs.
- HealthyScratch6

Yea, Finn's not a loss... he seems to be done as a prospect.

Verhaege, Nilsson, and Beck for Grabner is the way I see it.... not really a fan of the trade. Nothing team-destroying though. Much to the president's dismay, I'm sure.

the genius of the plan is beyond many people
- DoubleDown

it's not genius, it's glaringly obvious, and there is a greater risk to it backfiring, especially when trading away prospects...Leafs have had a great history in that department.

We won't know because none of have gone though development. All I'm saying is that this contradicts everything management has been saying since last season ended. They screwed up signing all those contracts without thinking it through and it caught up to them, they were suppose be smart, well they weren't.
- LeafMan

thing is LM, i knew this was going to come

there obviously was going to be picks and prospects from the Burke Nonis era that the current group just doesnt like.

all part of the restructuring

it's not genius, it's glaringly obvious, and there is a greater risk to it backfiring, especially when trading away prospects...Leafs have had a great history in that department.
- vermie22

none of those guys would have ever made the leafs... look where they stood on the depth chart

and notice no picks were included?

take a few deep breaths and think about it

We won't know because none of have gone though development. All I'm saying is that this contradicts everything management has been saying since last season ended. They screwed up signing all those contracts without thinking it through and it caught up to them, they were suppose be smart, well they weren't.
- LeafMan

Well I have faith they assessed these players and feel they are too far down the depth chart to keep them for the sake of it. Could be more to come, we shall see.

It's not like Grabner is some X all star 35 year old; he's still young and could have some great years ahead of him; or even just a good season under babcock with the leafs and we get a pick in return for Hunter.

Leafs cleaning the cupboards this fall for the spring harvest I see.

Grabner!

Don't even know her.

Where's Glencross?
- mykokes

KHL

I am leaning this way, cause why else do it? Maybe they have another trade in the works and needed to clear some dressing room stalls.
- TincupCanuck

You'd think they would of moved a roster player as well.

none of those guys would have ever made the leafs... look where they stood on the depth chart

and notice no picks were included?

take a few deep breaths and think about it
- Dozzer

I have. I am a risk adverse person, and this moves screams of arrogance that the Leafs truly believe they will better then the rest of the league a mining gems in the later rounds...