Ok.. i will counter

say setoguchi makes the team and earns a 1 year contract

a second line with him and grabner gets put together

they enjoy some success getting top 6 mins

flipped at the deadline for a 2nd each

leafs get their seconds back.. drafted in line with what hunter and dubais are building

ta da.
- Dozzer

They combined for a total of 13 points last season. All of them Grabner's.

some of these guys are gonna get a lot of ice time and the Leafs could find themselves playing from behind a lot. 1-2 of these guys could fall ass backwards into a 20-goal season and if they do, you'll find takers for 3/4 rounders. maybe even a second. the guy who thinks Grabner might bring a first is on glue.
- DoubleDown

again those are big assumptions, it's possible non of them pan out and the Leafs get nothing at the trade deadline.

also other GM's will start to catch on...guys get more ice time in T.O. and there numbers go up by virtue of averages. Then when obtained to add the precious depth contenders are seeking, the players regress to crap once their ice time is reduced. Look at Santorelli, Winnik and Franson last year...what impact did they have on the contenders that obtained them...nothing. If I was a GM for the other teams I would stay clear of any of the trade offers from the Leafs at the deadline. Especially these 1 year reclamation projects/illusions.

so so so short sighted

man you guys need to take a deep breath and actually think about something for once
- Dozzer

How is it short sighted?

It's recycling what we have in the hopes of stockpiling lower caliber draft picks. You've yet to disagree with that.

What is the long term vision behind opening the space for PTO's, because if I'm not wrong.. You're arguing that to be the benefit of this move.

Did I miss something? When did PTO's turn into monster deadline hauls? Franson, Winnik, santorelli.. All were signed to contracts and didnt need PTO's to land on a team. Is there an example of a team using PTO's to fetch a better return than a couple prospects already drafted in the 2nd round?

As far as I can see, opening up space to sign PTO's isn't some incredible long term plan..

Apparently Setoguchi isn't drinking or smoking crack or whatever the heck else he was doing before. (he entered substance abuse program last year and is apparently clean now) Could have a bouce-back season
- jnwood2517

Did he score over 30 goals in a season before ? Seems to me he did.

My bad 31 was his max.

Apparently Setoguchi isn't drinking or smoking crack or whatever the heck else he was doing before. (he entered substance abuse program last year and is apparently clean now) Could have a bouce-back season
- jnwood2517

We getting Joe Thornton too?

this makes so much sense i cant believe you guys arent seeing it.

LL and BS have been evaluating

they have flagged some burke nonis picks they dont particularly like or see a place for in their vision for the leafs.

this opens up contract slots

they sign a few guys on PTOs

move them at the deadline for picks and prospects more in line with what then envision for the leafs

by this time next summer those prospects will be replaced with players more in line with the new brain trust's of the leafs vision.

seriously LM.. look at this one with eyes on a year down the road
- Dozzer

atleast someone gets it

Apparently Setoguchi isn't drinking or smoking crack or whatever the heck else he was doing before. (he entered substance abuse program last year and is apparently clean now) Could have a bouce-back season
- jnwood2517

just like Paul Ranger

How is it short sighted?

It's recycling what we have in the hopes of stockpiling lower caliber draft picks. You've yet to disagree with that.

What is the long term vision behind opening the space for PTO's, because if I'm not wrong.. You're arguing that to be the benefit of this move.

Did I miss something? When did PTO's turn into monster deadline hauls? Franson, Winnik, santorelli.. All were signed to contracts and didnt need PTO's to land on a team. Is there an example of a team using PTO's to fetch a better return than a couple prospects already drafted in the 2nd round?

As far as I can see, opening up space to sign PTO's isn't some incredible long term plan..
- joel878

Clearly Hunter and everyone else on the Leafs weren't that impressed with any of the prospects they traded and think they can do better.

Imo, it doesn't seem like much of anything. Maybe a precursor to another move? They want 25 selections this coming draft?

Apparently Setoguchi isn't drinking or smoking crack or whatever the heck else he was doing before. (he entered substance abuse program last year and is apparently clean now) Could have a bouce-back season
- jnwood2517

For his sake, I hope so.

I'm just happy something exciting happened and we don't have to see conversations about politics and religion like the last thread. Thanks Lou.

This walks like a contract clearing duck, talks like one and sounds like one too. I don't know how long the Leaf prospects contracts were, but assume just a year or two. Kinda surprised the Isles had enough contract slots to take this many useless plugs on.
- BigDre

I don’t expect to see any of these prospects suit up for the isles in future, really this is just snow stocking Bridgeport and clearing grabner’s cap hit. I’m good with that because it adds flexibility for this season and grabner wasn’t going to be retained, and may have been on waivers after camp.

Ok.. i will counter

say setoguchi makes the team and earns a 1 year contract

a second line with him and grabner gets put together

they enjoy some success getting top 6 mins

flipped at the deadline for a 2nd each

leafs get their seconds back.. drafted in line with what hunter and dubais are building

ta da.
- Dozzer

LOL
Setoguchi for a 2nd rounder......yes that is magic.
Also, unless the team is doing real bad....I dont see the leafs unloading too many players like last year.

Ok.. i will counter

say setoguchi makes the team and earns a 1 year contract

a second line with him and grabner gets put together

they enjoy some success getting top 6 mins

flipped at the deadline for a 2nd each

leafs get their seconds back.. drafted in line with what hunter and dubais are building

ta da.
- Dozzer

I think calgary tried that last year. Didn't it end with nothing for them and setoguchi needing a camp invite to make another team?

They didn't have to give up value to sign him either.

I'm just happy something exciting happened and we don't have to see conversations about politics and religion like the last thread. Thanks Lou.
- Phenom

thats usually in the Oilers blog, that and hookers and blow.

Couldn't agree more. Mogilny was a horrible shell of his former self and Burke was much better as a Canuck too. What position was he again? Thank God for Booth cuz this list would look way worse without him.
- Phenom

He scored 55 in Vancouver, never came close to that in Toronto.

Good lord, this team looks better than last year

I wonder if all five of these guys failed the physical

I think calgary tried that last year. Didn't it end with nothing for them and setoguchi needing a camp invite to make another team?

They didn't have to give up value to sign him either.
- joel878

AHL and that was a bust...

again those are big assumptions, it's possible non of them pan out and the Leafs get nothing at the trade deadline.

also other GM's will start to catch on...guys get more ice time in T.O. and there numbers go up by virtue of averages. Then when obtained to add the precious depth contenders are seeking, the players regress to crap once their ice time is reduced. Look at Santorelli, Winnik and Franson last year...what impact did they have on the contenders that obtained them...nothing. If I was a GM for the other teams I would stay clear of any of the trade offers from the Leafs at the deadline. Especially these 1 year reclamation projects/illusions.
- vermie22

disagree here. we see every year at the deadline GMs get seduced by a guy having a hot year. even Glencross got traded for a second and third rounder in March. by August, he had to accept a professional tryout in Toronto.

this makes so much sense i cant believe you guys arent seeing it.

LL and BS have been evaluating

they have flagged some burke nonis picks they dont particularly like or see a place for in their vision for the leafs.

this opens up contract slots

they sign a few guys on PTOs

move them at the deadline for picks and prospects more in line with what then envision for the leafs

by this time next summer those prospects will be replaced with players more in line with the new brain trust's of the leafs vision.

seriously LM.. look at this one with eyes on a year down the road
- Dozzer

Bang on.

I wonder if all five of these guys failed the physical
- mykokes

The Bruins should trade Zboril, Senyshyn and DeBrusk for Grabner.

The Bruins should trade Zboril, Senyshyn and DeBrusk for Grabner.
- AdamFrench

then flip him for a low first

disagree here. we see every year at the deadline GMs get seduced by a guy having a hot year. even Glencross got traded for a second and third rounder in March. by August, he had to accept a professional tryout in Toronto.
- DoubleDown

I don't know, I think they will start to realize not everyone is Ray Bourque.

It also ties us to another bad contract. Yeah, I know it expires, but this is poop.
- mykokes

Higher g/60 than JT last year.

He'll get good minutes and a chance to shine. If he can have a solid season then we'll get a good return