YES

allows the leafs to sign a couple PTOs.. they play well.. they get flipped for picks (notice the leafs didnt trade any of those), flip the one year guys who played their asses off all season to re-prove themselves for more picks, which allows dubais and hunter to restock using their criteria

these guys are burke and nonis picks.. you cant possibly think that the new management group likes every one of them?

and there is nobody they moved who is a shoe in for the NHL.. and they were all down the depth chart for leafs prospects anyways.

solid move.
- Dozzer

Let's hope - our luck is 2 of them start on the Isles 1st line in the next couple years

Rebuilding with one of the oldest roasters, that is the way to do it
- LeafMan

For me, the best thing about these vets, more so than a poop ton of middle round picks is that we won't need any of the prospects that matter to be anywhere near the Leafs this year

Not working the next day?
- zazzle

it's called controlled alcoholism





i know

For me, the best thing about these vets, more so than a poop ton of middle round picks is that we won't need any of the prospects that matter to be anywhere near the Leafs this year
- walshyleafsfan

Let them all get to know each other on the bus

YES

allows the leafs to sign a couple PTOs.. they play well.. they get flipped for picks (notice the leafs didnt trade any of those), flip the one year guys who played their asses off all season to re-prove themselves for more picks, which allows dubais and hunter to restock using their criteria

these guys are burke and nonis picks.. you cant possibly think that the new management group likes every one of them?

and there is nobody they moved who is a shoe in for the NHL.. and they were all down the depth chart for leafs prospects anyways.

solid move.
- Dozzer

you work with what you have, groom and try to improve it if needed....if they don't pan out, you are working every year to fill in. you are more likely to find gold with what you have vs. hoping you might get a chance to find gold with something you don't have and may never get.

Good wheels but the spat of injuries and groin surgeries have zapped some of that speed but he is a good PK guy who can probably get you 15 goals if he stays healthy and that's a big if
- Vukota

He is really sharp on his skates almost Kessel like,but he can go Semin and be like a ghost in tough checking games

YES

allows the leafs to sign a couple PTOs.. they play well.. they get flipped for picks (notice the leafs didnt trade any of those), flip the one year guys who played their asses off all season to re-prove themselves for more picks, which allows dubais and hunter to restock using their criteria

these guys are burke and nonis picks.. you cant possibly think that the new management group likes every one of them?

and there is nobody they moved who is a shoe in for the NHL.. and they were all down the depth chart for leafs prospects anyways.

solid move.
- Dozzer

when they trade JVR for those 2 juicy prospects the extra contract space will help a lot

Not working the next day?
- zazzle

When is opening night?

I have good practice, so probably will go to work

*saunters to kitchen table to continue working*

you work with what you have, groom and try to improve it if needed....if they don't pan out, you are working every year to fill in. you are more likely to find gold with what you have vs. hoping you might get a chance to find gold with something you don't have and may never get.
- vermie22

no gold there, maybe there will be in the pick they get for Grabner

He is really sharp on his skates almost Kessel like,but he can go Semin and be like a ghost in tough checking games
- Landsbergfan

Pretty much. If he had bad hands he would be good for 25 plus but his hands are putrid

For me, the best thing about these vets, more so than a poop ton of middle round picks is that we won't need any of the prospects that matter to be anywhere near the Leafs this year
- walshyleafsfan

Hey we still have some more prospects to give up to allow more PTO's to make it, Brown, Johnson, Leivo, Hyman and Leipsic, then the Leafs might have a chance to flip those PTO's for late rounders!

no gold there, maybe there will be in the pick they get for Grabner
- the_eye

or the pick they don't get for grabner because he has a bad season and/or is injurred and can't be traded.

I wonder if the Islander told Brock if he doesn't this contract, they will trade to the Leafs. So he signed, the Leafs got Grabner instead.

There is literally nothing to get upset about.

Gibson will be a career AHL'er and Finn may crack the NHL and play a meager number of games.

Nilsson may be the best prospect in this bunch - but his ceiling is practically a good bottom pairing defenseman. Verhaegh is the definition of a tweener, can't find the scoring touch in pro but dominates the rookie leagues.

Grabner gives us a legit top nine guy who will (with all likelihood) be traded at the deadline for a new draft pick - one which follows the new direction of the team.

These guys were Burke and Nonis draft picks guys. RELAX. WE WILL BE BAD ANYWAYS.

Hey we still have some more prospects to give up to allow more PTO's to make it, Brown, Johnson, Leivo, Hyman and Leipsic, then the Leafs might have a chance to flip those PTO's for late rounders!


- LeafMan

Give me a break.

When is opening night?

I have good practice, so probably will go to work

*saunters to kitchen table to continue working*
- Garnie

Oct 7th.

YES

allows the leafs to sign a couple PTOs.. they play well.. they get flipped for picks (notice the leafs didnt trade any of those), flip the one year guys who played their asses off all season to re-prove themselves for more picks, which allows dubais and hunter to restock using their criteria

these guys are burke and nonis picks.. you cant possibly think that the new management group likes every one of them?

and there is nobody they moved who is a shoe in for the NHL.. and they were all down the depth chart for leafs prospects anyways.

solid move.
- Dozzer

People are looking at it as 5 for 1 but the real value is the contract spots it opens up that we may be able to flip for additional picks. You trade guys who haven't panned out for another kick at the can. If grabner and one of the PTOs have a bounce back year you might be able to pull and franson/santorelli and get a late first or a couple 2nds.

or the pick they don't get for grabner because he has a bad season and/or is injurred and can't be traded.
- vermie22

well there is that, but they still got the contract space to sign other players and who knows what they'll get for them

Give me a break.
- A_Tree

If that is what you want, ok.

There is literally nothing to get upset about.

Gibson will be a career AHL'er and Finn may crack the NHL and play a meager number of games.

Nilsson may be the best prospect in this bunch - but his ceiling is practically a good bottom pairing defenseman. Verhaegh is the definition of a tweener, can't find the scoring touch in pro but dominates the rookie leagues.

Grabner gives us a legit top nine guy who will (with all likelihood) be traded at the deadline for a new draft pick - one which follows the new direction of the team.

These guys were Burke and Nonis draft picks guys. RELAX. WE WILL BE BAD ANYWAYS.
- A_Tree

Burke did the same

Shanahan gets fired new guy does the same

Never ending circle jerk

He is really sharp on his skates almost Kessel like,but he can go Semin and be like a ghost in tough checking games
- Landsbergfan[/quote]

So exactly like kessel then

If that is what you want, ok.
- LeafMan

lol

The team can lose a couple of guys. There is no way that they trade valuable prospects for a spare part.

I'm not sure

We traded a higher pick for more picks and then trade 5 prospects for Grabner?

Grabner going to play or bring us back better than those 5?

I can't see it
- Garnie

The 5 contract spaces they opened could bring back 5

Its obvious shanny and the crew want their own prospects to draft and develop.

This is a much longer term move than most want to think about

There is literally nothing to get upset about.

Gibson will be a career AHL'er and Finn may crack the NHL and play a meager number of games.

Nilsson may be the best prospect in this bunch - but his ceiling is practically a good bottom pairing defenseman. Verhaegh is the definition of a tweener, can't find the scoring touch in pro but dominates the rookie leagues.

Grabner gives us a legit top nine guy who will (with all likelihood) be traded at the deadline for a new draft pick - one which follows the new direction of the team.

These guys were Burke and Nonis draft picks guys. RELAX. WE WILL BE BAD ANYWAYS.
- A_Tree

It says right here, they will not be as bad as everybody expects them to be.
But , Bernier.....so there is hope.

There is literally nothing to get upset about.

Gibson will be a career AHL'er and Finn may crack the NHL and play a meager number of games.

Nilsson may be the best prospect in this bunch - but his ceiling is practically a good bottom pairing defenseman. Verhaegh is the definition of a tweener, can't find the scoring touch in pro but dominates the rookie leagues.

Grabner gives us a legit top nine guy who will (with all likelihood) be traded at the deadline for a new draft pick - one which follows the new direction of the team.

These guys were Burke and Nonis draft picks guys. RELAX. WE WILL BE BAD ANYWAYS.
- A_Tree

can you guarantee grabner or any of the possible PTO guys will be equate to draft picks that are better than the ones they gave up? my bet is on the very real possibility they end with less prospects and they will have less potential.