I'd take 4 Hunter draft picks over 5 BB/DN picks any day even if they are later picks. Look at timashov in the 5 round for example or Bracco with the 31st pick in the second round.
- HealthyScratch6

plain arrogant if this is the way the Leafs are going to run things now
let see what people say when 2 years from now Bracco and timashov are still labeled too small etc to be really effective NHLers down the road and are traded for 6th rounders.

I definitely remember reading pretty much those exact same words with regards to Finn and verhaeghe.. And a few others.

The hunter draft looks solid, but they're completely similar in the sense that they haven't proven a damn thing.

I would just like for once to see something good come out of it, and not be watching people here trying to validate how timashov and bracco were never really going to be anything special in two years. Only way to accomplish that is to actually put some time into developing our prospects. Just like they've been telling us was the plan for months...
- joel878

Well if he hasn't proven his worth 6 months into the job, he might as well be dead.

I actually like what they're doing overall, but the current NHL roster is pretty funny to look at. Outside of a handful of players, it's literally a bunch of guys that other teams don't really want. And the best part is that some of these guys will get a decent amount of minutes and PP time and will put up respectable point totals, making them attractive to other teams again and possible to flip for picks/prospects.
- Nucker101

yeah i'm not blaming the guys currently running things. they're trying to put this fire out one tire at a time.

What's Johnson's contract status? Any chance he joins the Marlies end of the season like Nylander last year?

People think JVR will have a down year without Phil but let me tell you why they're wrong..

He will be motivated under Babs obviously and i think JVR will become a better player especially defensively. I think at times JVR fell into phils laziness. Personally think hes better off without phil.
- lotempio8119

Lazy and soft. OMG, I can't believe how soft JVR is, considering his size.

Let's hope Babs can light a fire under his butt.

Lazy and soft. OMG, I can't believe how soft JVR is, considering his size.

Let's hope Babs can light a fire under his butt.
- Atomic Wedgie

He would have been among the first to go.

We better hope BabRichard can do something with him, because I think we just might find out how much he needed Kessel.

This is remarkably similar to my incredible success at predicting the Leafs.

Always assume the worst will happen. You'll have a damn good track record.
- Aetherial

the best part is i dont even need to know the players involved and i'll still be correct.

What's Johnson's contract status? Any chance he joins the Marlies end of the season like Nylander last year?
- TheMussel

Unless he does extremely well in the SEL he won't return like Nylander. Nylander return because MODO sucks right now.

However, nothing prevents him from returning.

It's only 'contradicting itself' if you look at it in short-sighted way. It's not like they announced a contract extension for Grabner. Clearly he's a guy with upside they think can be flipped at the deadline. Like all the other PTO guys.

And they're doing this because they want to leave their (good) prospects in the minors and let them develop. That's their plan. And they're sticking to it.

By dumping poor prospects that were holding them back from making moves to acquire better prospects, they are now able to continue with that plan. Nothing about this move 'contradicts' their stated intention. The only difference is that you believe these players they traded were good. The Leaf management does not. I'll take their word over yours.
- jnwood2517

That's a HUGE question mark considering what is supposedly going to be used to do this.

This may sound bizarre, but bear with me here:

Much like Kessel, it's not the Goat's fault that he was taken in the 1st round.

Leafs Nation needs to lay off of this kid. His upside may only be a 3rd line checker, but what the hell, he's our 3rd line checker prospect, so we need to stop calling him a stiff because he isn't the next Connor McDavid.

Let's see how he does on the Marlies this year.
- Atomic Wedgie

*hee hee*

yeah i'm not blaming the guys currently running things. they're trying to put this fire out one tire at a time.
- DoubleDown

let it burn out on its own

it comes down to this.

5 assets traded for 1 asset.

possible return is this:

5+ assets, 5 assets, 5- assets, 0 assets

without assigning any weights to those assets (because they are prospects and we reallly don't know..really we don't)

that is a 50% chance the leafs end with with less when all is said and done...not a risk I would ever be willing to take...and if this is how people manage their assets, no wonder everyone is in dept.

what are you talking about?

their loading up on one year contracts

they intend to let these guys re-establish their careers if they can and flip them for whatever they can get

the plan is so glaringly obvious i have a hard time fathoming how some people on here cant see it.
- Dozzer

well if you can't see how they can't see. how do you expect them to see what they can't?







or something like that

the best part is i dont even need to know the players involved and i'll still be correct.
- daeth

It's all pretty much a blur at this point. The names don't matter anymore. Only the suck remains.

Lazy and soft. OMG, I can't believe how soft JVR is, considering his size.

Let's hope Babs can light a fire under his butt.
- Atomic Wedgie

Of all the stupid poop we saw last year JVRs lazy play in the 2nd half pissed me off the most. He was completely useless.

It's only 'contradicting itself' if you look at it in short-sighted way. It's not like they announced a contract extension for Grabner. Clearly he's a guy with upside they think can be flipped at the deadline. Like all the other PTO guys.

And they're doing this because they want to leave their (good) prospects in the minors and let them develop. That's their plan. And they're sticking to it.

By dumping poor prospects that were holding them back from making moves to acquire better prospects, they are now able to continue with that plan. Nothing about this move 'contradicts' their stated intention. The only difference is that you believe these players they traded were good. The Leaf management does not. I'll take their word over yours.
- jnwood2517

I think going to these lengths to turn camp tryouts that no one wanted to give so much as a one year contract to, into draft picks that will turn out as high or as good as Finn or verhaeghe, or even Nilsson, is a stretch. I think that even if it somehow defies logic and pans out into anything more than a couple of 3rd rounders, it's hardly worth the motions.

I can hardly believe that a washed up glencross will be worth a matt Finn alone.

I don't believe setoguchi will be worth a thing, especially after watching the flames run this process last season. I think it would be narrow minded to assume as much.

I also think that shipping out prospects instead of developing them is in direct contrast to the approach we've been fed. Actually, I'm pretty sure that word for word it is

To each their own I guess.

it comes down to this.

5 assets traded for 1 asset.

possible return is this:

5+ assets, 5 assets, 5- assets, 0 assets

without assigning any weights to those assets (because they are prospects and we reallly don't know..really we don't)

that is a 50% chance the leafs end with with less when all is said and done...not a risk I would ever be willing to take...and if this is how people manage their assets, no wonder everyone is in dept.
- vermie22

Huh?

It's all pretty much a blur at this point. The names don't matter anymore. Only the suck remains.
- Aetherial

the only move i instantly liked was the jvr trade. im good at this! i should have my own blog

http://video.mapleleafs.n...tid=802&id=834564&lang=en

Henny: "You were at 49 contracts... I haven't done the math yet but..."
Lou: "Well... it's five contracts going forward and one coming back so..."

Jesus H Henny, have a good summer?

Well if he hasn't proven his worth 6 months into the job, he might as well be dead.
- jnwood2517

says the guy who's trying to validate these prospects being worthless without having played an NHL game.

Aside from the idea that this does nothing to differentiate between how we felt about those prospects at the time, to what's being said about the recently picked prospects.

you're pretty much just going out of your way to pick an argument at this point.

Go walk your dog or something.

Just watched the first interview on media day on Leafs TV. Taylor Beck talking about how excited he is to get a fresh start with the Leafs and getting camp going in Halifax.

People think JVR will have a down year without Phil but let me tell you why they're wrong..

He will be motivated under Babs obviously and i think JVR will become a better player especially defensively. I think at times JVR fell into phils laziness. Personally think hes better off without phil.
- lotempio8119

yeah, JVR and Blozaks laziness was all Phils fault, of those 3 only one will have a better year

Am I allowed to say I like this deal for the Isles or will Dozzier ban me?

Am I allowed to say I like this deal for the Isles or will Dozzier ban me?
- Vukota

You can, I don't like people mocking others opinions no matter from what fan base.

Just watched the first interview on media day on Leafs TV. Taylor Beck talking about how excited he is to get a fresh start with the Leafs and getting camp going in Halifax.
- Phenom

Now he'll get a fresh start in bridgeport