They are going to end up signing that goalie stiff they brought to rookie camp from Kingston, wasting another contract, just wait and see.
- LeafMan

probably true... but perhaps they sign him to Marlies/AHL contract - I don't believe those count against the pro-contract Leaf count.

don't rip on Freddie the Goat.

the others have at it.
- BorjeFan4Ever

The goats gonna stick around. He might not be a star but he's a winner.

This reminds of the famous line

"A boats a boat, but the mystery box can be anything. It might even be a boat!"
- systemtool

Did Monty Hall coin that expression?

Clearly the Leafs, who have looked at these prospects day-in and day-out for much longer than you have, disagree about their value.

A prospect isn't a vague, intangible thing. It's a person. The Leaf brass didn't think these people would have become good hockey players, and would rather give their contracts to other players with higher ceilings.
- jnwood2517

Fair enough, if the key is in assessment, and they just didn't like what they saw.. That's fair.

But even under that logic, this boils down to the equivalent of a prospect dump. I can't help but feel that trying to develop said prospects and turning them into something more than a 5 for 1 dump would be more beneficial, especially considering they've long preached that as the plan.

But like you said, I'm not GM. I'm just taking their words as what they are. Have to assume there's some sense to it under it all, or they'd be nothing more than the last 40 years of management groups we've put our faith in. Right?

exactly

none of the guys they traded were shoe ins by any stretch

also

how many burke/nonis era picks are actually playing on the leafs?

kadri and rielly? i dont think there is another.. i could be wrong
- Dozzer

I did a quick check - it's actually worse than you could imagine.

Burkie's first Leafs draft was 2009.

Kadri in the 1st round.

Jerry D'Amigo in the 6th: 31 NHL games, 1 goal, 2 assists.

Jesse Blacker and Jamie Devane have combined for 3 NHL games.

Nobody else has played a game.

2010 draft: 28 total NHL games.

2011 draft: 30 total NHL games (and that's with 2 1st round picks)

2012 draft: Morgan Rielly. No other player has played an NHL game (still hopeful ona few though: Brown, Loov. Finn if you want to be a party-pooper today).

2013 draft (beginning of Nonis era): 0 NHL games. Gauthier, Verhaeghe, Herzog, Bibeau, Andreas Johnson. I'm not exactly drooling.

2014-15: not fair to judge yet.

http://www.hockeydb.com/i...aft/teams/dr00008490.html

so so so short sighted

man you guys need to take a deep breath and actually think about something for once
- Dozzer

you need to realize you're not smarter than everyone else

the Leafs have literally become the NHL's refugee camp
- DoubleDown

There are some refugees that would take great offense at this comment.

definitely! I love Panik. The only reason he was let go by Tampa is because there was no room for him, not because he was bad. I like how he played last year. I said this before, he reminds me of a younger Kulemin. Lays the good hit, takes a hit, can pot in a few goals, etc.
- MCharisma91

My buddy is a huge TB fan and he was telling me when the leafs claimed him off waivers that Cooper had said that he was the most talented of all their wonderkids in Syracuse but he just had consistency issue.

the Leafs have literally become the NHL's refugee camp
- DoubleDown

I actually like what they're doing overall, but the current NHL roster is pretty funny to look at. Outside of a handful of players, it's literally a bunch of guys that other teams don't really want. And the best part is that some of these guys will get a decent amount of minutes and PP time and will put up respectable point totals, making them attractive to other teams again and possible to flip for picks/prospects.

That trio has the making of the Belleville Bulls trio bust draft.
- LeafMan

I cant see it being that bad.

Bozak for Grabner would have been a better deal
- ThePresident

The Islanders aren't that stupid.

I miss Milbury.

So is it (frank)ing quality over (frank)ing quantity or wtf.

We trade better picks for more picks - then trade 5 for this (frank)ing guy.




Go Sabres Go

Grabner will find his hands under the Cockles of Bab. 50 goals this year.
- AdamFrench

He will really like his new coach much better.

Grabner
Parenteau
Glencross
Setoguchi

If they all turn back the clock and have career years...

Auston Matthews here we come

JVR-Bozak-Grabner
Lupus-Kadri-PAPsmear
Matthias-Holland-Boyes
Komarov-Spaling-Winnik
Arcobello

Young rebuilding team
- AdamFrench

Obviously that is not supposed to represent the team of the future.

This is exactly what Devellano did in Detroit when they first started to turn the organization around. He came right out and said it. Detroit basically just found guys on short term contracts to occupy spots for a few years.

I just feel Finn maybe didn't get a fair shot to develop at all.

The goats gonna stick around. He might not be a star but he's a winner.
- TheMussel

This may sound bizarre, but bear with me here:

Much like Kessel, it's not the Goat's fault that he was taken in the 1st round.

Leafs Nation needs to lay off of this kid. His upside may only be a 3rd line checker, but what the hell, he's our 3rd line checker prospect, so we need to stop calling him a stiff because he isn't the next Connor McDavid.

Let's see how he does on the Marlies this year.

Fair enough, if the key is in assessment, and they just didn't like what they saw.. That's fair.

But even under that logic, this boils down to the equivalent of a prospect dump. I can't help but feel that trying to develop said prospects and turning them into something more than a 5 for 1 dump would be more beneficial, especially considering they've long preached that as the plan.

But like you said, I'm not GM. I'm just taking their words as what they are. Have to assume there's some sense to it under it all, or they'd be nothing more than the last 40 years of management groups we've put our faith in. Right?
- joel878

I find it hard to take anyone seriously who tries to pull out this kind of logic. If you can even call it that. Placing the failures of people who no longer work for the organization, at the feet of people who currently work there, makes zero sense.

Dubas, Hunter, etc. are in year one of their plan to rebuild. Look at it like that. They took all of last year to evaluate this organization and make their assessments. They concluded these players weren't worth the contracts, and would rather roll the dice again with other players.

Grabner
Parenteau
Glencross
Setoguchi

If they all turn back the clock and have career years...
- Scooby_Doo

best team ever

Grabner
Parenteau
Glencross
Setoguchi

If they all turn back the clock and have career years...
- Scooby_Doo

I ain't going to lie to you Scooby. This season is going to be bad; real bad.

Grabner
Parenteau
Glencross
Setoguchi

If they all turn back the clock and have career years...
- Scooby_Doo

They gave up 5 prospects for a chance at drafting 4 in later rounds if teams take these guys, it is what it all boils down to. A slim gambling chance.

best team ever
- daeth

EVA!!!!!

Grabner
Parenteau
Glencross
Setoguchi

If they all turn back the clock and have career years...
- Scooby_Doo

just think of the opportunities for the Canucks to add at the trade-deadline - and then sign these guys next year for more than they're worth.

I ain't going to lie to you Scooby. This season is going to be bad; real bad.
- Aetherial

of course it is...

that's the point.

the Leafs have literally become the NHL's refugee camp
- DoubleDown

I think that may continue for another season or two after this one.

I ain't going to lie to you Scooby. This season is going to be bad; real bad.
- Aetherial

I'd bet it's better than last year

Zero let down and probably finish with more points