Just because the Coyotes traded for Grossman does not mean he has more value. The fact that he ended up there actually kind of proves this because almost every move AZ has made recently is questionable. Grossman's value is outdated and he will be very quickly exposed if the Coyotes are going to be as bad as most people expect.
- Mordecai

Grossmann is not going to be exposed. He is what he is at this point. Grossmann is a short term stop gap. He's a good defender for a team that is going to be defending a lot.

It's funny you should say that. The fact is, lots of GMs make bad decisions and a players market value is different from his on ice value. Just because a team thinks a guy is undervalued, doesn't mean they'll overpay for him if no one thinks so.

The thing with Franson is a mystery. He's superior to so many players who have long term contracts. Dion for 6 more years? What about the kid the Blue Jackets just signed, five years? He's not better than Franson.

You can act like I'm a crazy person, but I'm not even close to the only person who is surprised by the lack of interest in Franson. Buffalo is getting a sweet deal here.
- James_Tanner

Do you know what other group of people make bad decisions and come to flawed conclusions? Bloggers!

It's not a mystery with Franson. He's a PP specialist who is weak defensively, and doesn't skate well, and is not a physical player. Now with that being said, I don't believe he's that bad of a player, to be sitting through the entire Summer without a deal. I would speculate that Franson's contract demands limited his suitors.

- smellmyfinger

That's funny

Hahaha.....settle down, Poor-Man's-Cloutier

You need to do a more professional job of dealing with opinions that differ from your own. If you continue to reply to every counter-argument with "You're wrong and I'm right. You're all idiots", then you'll continue to get zero respect on this site
- AxlRose91

You kinda nailed it with this post. I enjoy TanMan, heck I even sort of like him....but for as long as keeps that act going I will never likely respect him.

James, don't respond. Just ignore. Trust me.
- Fountain-San

Who are you? Why should you be trusted?

It's funny you should say that. The fact is, lots of GMs make bad decisions and a players market value is different from his on ice value. Just because a team thinks a guy is undervalued, doesn't mean they'll overpay for him if no one thinks so.

The thing with Franson is a mystery. He's superior to so many players who have long term contracts. Dion for 6 more years? What about the kid the Blue Jackets just signed, five years? He's not better than Franson.

You can act like I'm a crazy person, but I'm not even close to the only person who is surprised by the lack of interest in Franson. Buffalo is getting a sweet deal here.
- James_Tanner

I don't agree that it has anything to do with franson being a mystery.
Quite the opposite. And while gms certainly aren't infallible, 30 teams had a shot at him and their judgement on him was fairly unanimous.

A solid pp guy, with some offensive chops, who's weak defensively and doesn't have much foot speed to recover when he's beaten or makes a bad decision.

His solid offensive numbers earned him a middling short term contract to try and give him the opportunity to prove he's worth more, while at the same time protecting the team from getting saddled long term with a guy who's weak defensively and probably won't get much better at this point. Defensive acumen and play without the puck is extremely important in the nhl. And his offer reflected that imo.

I don't agree that it has anything to do with franson being a mystery.
Quite the opposite. And while gms certainly aren't infallible, 30 teams had a shot at him and their judgement on him was fairly unanimous.

A solid pp guy, with some offensive chops, who's weak defensively and doesn't have much foot speed to recover when he's beaten or makes a bad decision.

His solid offensive numbers earned him a middling contract but short term to try and prove he's worth more, while at the same time protecting the team from getting saddled long term with a guy who's weak defensively and probably won't get much better at this point. Defensive acumen without the puck is extremely important in the nhl. And his offer reflected that imo.
- HB77

I don't agree that it has anything to do with franson being a mystery.
Quite the opposite. And while gms certainly aren't infallible, 30 teams had a shot at him and their judgement on him was fairly unanimous.

A solid pp guy, with some offensive chops, who's weak defensively and doesn't have much foot speed to recover when he's beaten or makes a bad decision.

His solid offensive numbers earned him a middling short term contract to try and give him the opportunity to prove he's worth more, while at the same time protecting the team from getting saddled long term with a guy who's weak defensively and probably won't get much better at this point. Defensive acumen and play without the puck is extremely important in the nhl. And his offer reflected that imo.
- HB77

Nailed it Bubba....this was a wild off season where pretty every team GM kept their spending down to reasonable, affordable contracts. Teams are finally realizing that the salary cap will ass rape you if you're not smart.

His biggest problem was that Murphy and Stone where already on the team.

They do this "we won't rush out young guys" crap and then bail as soon as there's a set back.
- James_Tanner

Gormley was measured against good (not stellar) players and he could not beat them for the position. We have and always have had a fair number of young guys on the team. We may not play them for a couple of years, but if they can handle the role they get to play sooner rather than later (see Murphy, Rieder, OEL, etc). Knocking Tippett on this is over-simplification.

If they don't step up and keep performing they get sent back down, and this is as it should be.

I don't agree that it has anything to do with franson being a mystery.
Quite the opposite. And while gms certainly aren't infallible, 30 teams had a shot at him and their judgement on him was fairly unanimous.

A solid pp guy, with some offensive chops, who's weak defensively and doesn't have much foot speed to recover when he's beaten or makes a bad decision.

His solid offensive numbers earned him a middling short term contract to try and give him the opportunity to prove he's worth more, while at the same time protecting the team from getting saddled long term with a guy who's weak defensively and probably won't get much better at this point. Defensive acumen and play without the puck is extremely important in the nhl. And his offer reflected that imo.
- HB77

I think he could still improve...started in Nashville behind a couple HOF's and got very little playing time...went to T.O. looked pretty good except the foot speed and some bad luck IMO...then went back to Nashville and didn't get much time and I'm really not sure why Nashville gave up anything for another D...they have pretty good D before he got there.

Just my thoughts...but his foot speed is the reason nobody is signing him for much or for very long...hopefully he gets the right skating coach to help him turn those big skiis he wears.

Who are you? Why should you be trusted?
- Jeropotato

because

because
- Fountain-San

Fair enough.

- smellmyfinger

So math.
There are 3 left handed d and there are right handed d on the team that are better then Grom and elliot, as stated in the blog, I know because I accidentally read it, but somehow is ok to bury Grom because left hangers are less rare the righties. But righties are more valuable then lefties so don't trade the left hander for the right hander to be your 7th defenceman because. ..math

Bad jt, back in your corner.

Nurse>oel

When they make the playoffs, that won't be fun. So you need to keep them.
- tomburton99

So ten year plan? ?

So math.
There are 3 left handed d and there are right handed d on the team that are better then Grom and elliot, as stated in the blog, I know because I accidentally read it, but somehow is ok to bury Grom because left hangers are less rare the righties. But righties are more valuable then lefties so don't trade the left hander for the right hander to be your 7th defenceman because. ..math

Bad jt, back in your corner.

Nurse>oel
- Pres.cup

Gormley was the second best left hander. Elliott is the fourth best right hander. It isn't a confusing equation.

Gormley was the second best left hander. Elliott is the fourth best right hander. It isn't a confusing equation.
- James_Tanner

I respectfully disagree, I feel(as do many other hockey people) that Grossman is better then Gormley right now and that with all of Gormley unreported history of unknown and unsubstantiated off ice problems that it may possible be best to move him before the cancer spreads and brings down oel.
You would agree that if gorm was banging oels girl then he had to go right?
So even if that wasn't the case I need to ask you one simple question, is it worth the risk? Not with an elite defenceman of oels stature it isn't.