No I do not need to do that. I am pretty open minded just not on this. And again, read the blog, I like Elliott.

Here's why no other opinion matters: on Right D there is Stone, Murphy and Michalek. Which of those is going to sit in the pressbox for Elliott?

On left D, Gormley was our second best option, now we're dressing Grossmann and Dahlbeck.

It just makes no sense to trade a guy who plays a position you're weak in for one who plays a position you're strong in.
- James_Tanner

You are FAR from open minded about anything. That's what a LOT of users try to tell you. What stops Elliot from being played on the left side? Is Tippett one of those terrible coaches who only plays D on their natural side?

I guarantee he didn't offer him around the league. T.J Brennan was a better AHL player last year than Elliott, I'm sure the Leafs would have sent him over. He at least shoots left.
- James_Tanner

- smellmyfinger

Confirmed and verified.

Measured responses aren't more mature, they're hedged bets.
- James_Tanner

When you speak matter-of-factly about things that you cannot possibly know, it undermines your credibility. That's why "measured responses" are usually the wiser course.

- smellmyfinger

I saw that. OEL is mad.

- smellmyfinger

When you speak matter-of-factly about things that you cannot possibly know, it undermines your credibility. That's why "measured responses" are usually the wiser course.
- jfkst1

I would love for Tanner to begin arguing his points with concessions to valid counter points being made. There's a difference between being stubborn and being obsessed with correctness. Hell, I even learned something from him before and that was the concept of "confirmation bias." Never knew that was an actual term and it holds true a lot. But he needs to realize that just because someone doesn't agree with him, it doesn't make them an idiot or a troll. It means many people have subjective opinions on subjects that can be viewed multiple different ways.

I would love for Tanner to begin arguing his points with concessions to valid counter points being made. There's a difference between being stubborn and being obsessed with correctness. Hell, I even learned something from him before and that was the concept of "confirmation bias." Never knew that was an actual term and it holds true a lot. But he needs to realize that just because someone doesn't agree with him, it doesn't make them an idiot or a troll. It means many people have subjective opinions on subjects that can be viewed multiple different ways.
- SirCreepofPasta

Nope,

"No other opinion matters"

----James Tanner Anecdotes

James, I read your blogs.. not sure why (that's my problem).

But this: "Anyone who disagrees just doesn't know what they're talking about"

This is what makes you sound like a guy that full of himself.
- WaterBoy

because he's one of the only bloggers that gets into full fledged pissing contests on his thread.

because he's one of the only bloggers that gets into full fledged pissing contests on his thread.
- Fountain-San

because he's one of the only bloggers that gets into full fledged pissing contests on his thread.
- Fountain-San

So true.

I'm thinking Gromley might have some personal issues

Tan Tan is blowing his trade rape whistle.

#DealWithIt

I guarantee he didn't offer him around the league. T.J Brennan was a better AHL player last year than Elliott, I'm sure the Leafs would have sent him over. He at least shoots left.
- James_Tanner

how can you guarantee that?

is it possible the wanted Elliot as opposed to brennan if that was even an option?

I actually agree with Tanner for once.. Elliot is a sure-fire top-4 this year on a Phoenix team vying for a top-3 pick, & Gormley was vastly overrated & should of never been taken in the first round.

edit: OEL for President 2020

No I do not need to do that. I am pretty open minded just not on this. And again, read the blog, I like Elliott.

Here's why no other opinion matters: on Right D there is Stone, Murphy and Michalek. Which of those is going to sit in the pressbox for Elliott?

On left D, Gormley was our second best option, now we're dressing Grossmann and Dahlbeck.

It just makes no sense to trade a guy who plays a position you're weak in for one who plays a position you're strong in.
- James_Tanner

obviously the people who make the management decisions disagree with you.

it isn't possible at all that other teams just don't value gormley as high as you do? if he was so good as you claim surely a better offer was out there.....

Of course it doesn't, it's a sunk cost. Doesn't make it suck less though. And at least the Islanders got a good trade for their guy. Why? Because Garth Snow is competent at his job.
- James_Tanner

...something I thought I'd never read two years ago...

Agreed that the trade was horrible, the trolls on your forum are worse though. Gormley will be a decent second pairing puck mover in a two years, Elliott will be in the A (just the way your trolls take it).

...something I thought I'd never read two years ago...

Agreed that the trade was horrible, the trolls on your forum are worse though. Gormley will be a decent second pairing puck mover in a two years, Elliott will be in the A (just the way your trolls take it).
- KarlKarlsson

obviously the people who make the management decisions disagree with you.

it isn't possible at all that other teams just don't value gormley as high as you do? if he was so good as you claim surely a better offer was out there.....
- rinaldo

There is such a premium on defensemen in the NHL that any team not interested in a guy like Gormley is doing something wrong. It is entirely possible that there is information about Gormley that isn't public or whatever, but he's only 23, that isn't an old player and three are reasons beyond his control he hadn't succeeded.

So just logically, you think there might have been a younger asset to acquire with potentially more upside. I think there is upside to Elliott, it just again comes down to a) older prospect b) doesn't play the position the Coyotes need. At least not naturally.

...something I thought I'd never read two years ago...

Agreed that the trade was horrible, the trolls on your forum are worse though. Gormley will be a decent second pairing puck mover in a two years, Elliott will be in the A (just the way your trolls take it).
- KarlKarlsson

For the avs, this is a win-win situation.

On the right side, there was absolutely no place for Elliott. We already have a better version of him in Barrie.
The biggest issue with Elliott is, while he can be a catalyst offensively, he's extremely weak and just cannot handle the defensive zone. He seems to completely shy away from contact and just doesn't play like himself. In the NHL, he's played timid and seems afraid to get hit. He can skate the puck out well and definitely has one of the best wristers you'll ever see. But he requires way too much sheltering. And the avs cant have Barrie and Elliott both playing similar games. Elliott was weaker defensively and weaker offensively than Barrie, and was never going to get a shot.

Gormley on the other hand doesn't have as much offensive ability but seems to play a more cerebral two way game. Not only that, but he's a LH, where the AVS can use some additional help.

At most, Gormley would be expected to play in a bottom pairing role with Stuart. From what Ive read, he lacks foot speed, but has a great slapper.

Simply, for the avs, they add a player whos more of what they need and create more competition and depth for a player who would never play and would likely have been lost for free.

Considering Tippett's use of dmen, Elliott seems even MORE unlikely to play than Gormley would.

A head scratcher IMO from a Yotes perspective.

Elliott will be in Tanner's top 10 defensemen next year, bank on it
- jimbro83

How does Elliot compare to Girardi?

How does Elliot compare to Girardi?
- Cptmjl

Before or after the Rangers trade Girardi and their 2018 first round pick to the Coyotes for Shane Doan?

There is such a premium on defensemen in the NHL that any team not interested in a guy like Gormley is doing something wrong. It is entirely possible that there is information about Gormley that isn't public or whatever, but he's only 23, that isn't an old player and three are reasons beyond his control he hadn't succeeded.

So just logically, you think there might have been a younger asset to acquire with potentially more upside. I think there is upside to Elliott, it just again comes down to a) older prospect b) doesn't play the position the Coyotes need. At least not naturally.
- James_Tanner

If Elliott is a better player points A and B are irrelevant.

Doesn't it get old to troll hockey forums? I mean, it was probably somewhat funny in 2004, but you're the worst. Go away.
- James_Tanner

Hahaha.....settle down, Poor-Man's-Cloutier

You need to do a more professional job of dealing with opinions that differ from your own. If you continue to reply to every counter-argument with "You're wrong and I'm right. You're all idiots", then you'll continue to get zero respect on this site