what
- rinaldo

He sees that he sees the witty repartee has reached new and unheard of levels.

He sees that he sees the witty repartee has reached new and unheard of levels.
- Streit2ThePoint

what

so... feminine hygiene buzz...?

Going back to the earlier Utley discussion, for what it's worth about Utley’s defense, he did win a Fielding Bible award for best defensive 2B. They were started in 2006 and are voted on in a much more statistically rigorous fashion and by a tighter group than the Gold Gloves -- Bill James, godfather of sabermetrics, Peter Gammons, etc.. Gold Gloves have always, even recently but they've gotten better, been by and large popularity contests where sometimes they hit and sometimes they don't. Jeter won 5 ( ); Michael Young won one at SS; Rafael Palmeiro won one at 1B....in a season where he played 135 games as a DH. Gold Gloves have a lot of cachet....but their validity can often be really really questionable.

With new rules having people no longer involved with beisbol stripped of their votes and the old guard giving way to the new, it's possible and I really hope Utley makes the HoF. Baseball HoF voters have been, time and time again, just god awful in their recalcitrance and stubborn tunnel vision. I honestly think they are the worst HoF voters in any sport by a mile...and then throw in another 5000 miles. Maybe one day they'll let Richard Allen clean someone else's plaque or something.

I could say that if you look at Utley's prime years, he was the second best position player in WAR behind Pujols, a godlike hitter (and great defender fwiw) in the realm of the Musials and Gehrigs. Utley's hitting, fielding, base running were all terrific. So what if he had a shortened injury plagued career? He still has a sizable body of work. Here's a good stat for 2B HoF comparables. Career WAR: Sandberg 67.5 WAR (2164 games).....Roberto Alomar 66.8 WAR (2391 games)....Biggio 65.1 WAR (2850 games)....Utley 61.7 WAR (1551 games). That's just crazy. For the person who mentioned Ryan Howard in regards to peak years, Howard's MVP season registered a 5.2 WAR in a 17.1 WAR career. Utley put up consecutively 7.2, 7.3, 7.8, 9.0, 8.2, 5.8. His best season was statistically better than half of Howard's career. Utley, in his prime, was better than any of those guys. Not to mention 2B like these don't grow on trees either. I think an important question to ask of any prospective HoFer is, how did he compare to his positional peers? Utley was head and shoulders above other 2B. Now, how did he compare to all players? Arguably the second best behind Pujols.

I hate how baseball can sometimes put so much weight on those last 5-8 years of a player's career, the time when their peak is long past but they are still able bodied enough to just accumulate. Chase Utley is a HoFer in my book -- if he could have stayed healthy, even a first balloter, but he didn't. Look at the statistical peak years relative to their leagues, look at the injuries, and Chase Utley is Eric Lindros without the animosity directed his way. A just world has both making their Hall of Fames.

#playboldly

Ok now I'm excited

After back reading:

It's YAY OR NAY people.
Utley gets in the HOF. He's borderline, but he gets there.
Lol at Rinaldo
Ostriches do not bury their heads in sand, MJL. It has never been documented. That's a myth.

yw for killing the thread

After back reading:

It's YAY OR NAY people.
Utley gets in the HOF. He's borderline, but he gets there.
Lol at Rinaldo
Ostriches do not bury their heads in sand, MJL. It has never been documented. That's a myth.
- Giroux_Is_God

Better chance of the HHOF: Zac Rinaldo or username rinaldo?

#playboldly

Ok now I'm excited
- Just5

I knew it got way too long. So if you didn't want to read the rest, I bolded the most important stuff to make skimming it easier.

Better chance of the HHOF: Zac Rinaldo or username rinaldo?
- jmatchett383

wow that's a good one mantua. can you at least make me laugh a little next time?

wow that's a good one mantua. can you at least make me laugh a little next time?
- rinaldo

quiet down tough guy.

And what do you have against Mantua, NJ? Is it our middle-of-the-county property taxes? Our wide swaths of untouched nature? Our highly-regarded school system?

Also, what paradisical land do you hail from, oh mighty liker of horrible hockey players that no one on here likes?

quiet down tough guy.

And what do you have against Mantua, NJ? Is it our middle-of-the-county property taxes? Our wide swaths of untouched nature? Our highly-regarded school system?

Also, what paradisical land do you hail from, oh mighty liker of horrible hockey players that no one on here likes?
- jmatchett383

quiet down tough guy. luv when you talk dirty.

someone like you has probably never been in a real fight his entire life. or very few at best.

quiet down tough guy. luv when you talk dirty.

someone like you has probably never been in a real fight his entire life. or very few at best.
- rinaldo

Which answered absolutely nothing in my post.

And yes, I've clearly never been in a fight ever. Clearly, because you obviously know me.

quiet down tough guy. luv when you talk dirty.

someone like you has probably never been in a real fight his entire life. or very few at best.
- rinaldo

What does fighting have to do with anything?

Enough of this trivial summertime bickering already boys.. Its AMAC and Vinny we hate, not each other..

Go Flyers!

Enough of this trivial summertime bickering already boys.. Its AMAC and Vinny we hate, not each other..

Go Flyers!
- Trainfellow

rinaldo started it

So another guy just offered me:

Ameer Abdullah
Amari Cooper

for

CJ Spiller
Anguan Boldin
Dorial Beckham-Green

This is a no brainer, right?

So another guy just offered me:

Ameer Abdullah
Amari Cooper

for

CJ Spiller
Anguan Boldin
Dorial Beckham-Green

This is a no brainer, right?
- J35Bacher

That's not a real person, is it?

Edit: You should trade for Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers.

That's not a real person, is it?
- jmatchett383

Running back from Nebraska.

Picked by the Lions this year.

Which answered absolutely nothing in my post.

And yes, I've clearly never been in a fight ever. Clearly, because you obviously know me.
- jmatchett383

I hail from planet love tron. so go search to see what that refers to.

I clearly don't know. was taking a guess

Running back from Nebraska.

Picked by the Lions this year.
- J35Bacher

No, that name can't be real. It's almost as real as "Anquan" which I still claim is attributed to a typo by the hospital of, "Antoine."

No, that name can't be real. It's almost as real as "Anquan" which I still claim is attributed to a typo by the hospital of, "Antoine."
- jmatchett383

Better chance of the HHOF: Zac Rinaldo or username rinaldo?
- jmatchett383

Shame Hextall couldn't move both of them to Boston.

- Streit2ThePoint

By far the best bit that show has ever done.

So another guy just offered me:

Ameer Abdullah
Amari Cooper

for

CJ Spiller
Anguan Boldin
Dorial Beckham-Green

This is a no brainer, right?
- J35Bacher

Do it