This is a bit exaggerated, not every team in the west got better but a lot of them did. Sutter is probably better than Matthias but not by as much as some here think. This team's depth is definitely a lot worse.
- Nucker101

So basically you are saying that Sutter/Horvat is a way worse option than Bonino/Richardson and keeping Bieksa after last season would have progressing? Adding toughness in Prust to compliment Dorsett to give us more of a Lapierre/Torres effectiveness is not the way to go? Just give ALL the spots to the youth and take our chances? Just hand it over to the rookies without a proper mix?

Moving on from the old core is necessary...fact of life. I want youth in the lineup too but there has to be a proper mix in the fold.

- Nucker101

As it was pointed out earlier Bonino was a mistake pick up. So was Clendenning. So we. Moved 2 players we had no use for.

Sutter will be playing 2C

Now does it compute?

In 2011 he was a legit top 4 dman and with Rome/Hamhuis gone he would have been foolish to take a 5 min penalty which can sometimes even be more if he gets a game misconduct. The Canucks lost because the PP sucked and Hamhuis was out. And the series went 7 games anyway. That team was stacked and built on speed and skill, Boston had toughness but also a deep team and skill to go along with it. If toughness is everything then how did LA/BOS miss the playoffs this year and why did the SCF include two skilled/speedy teams?

Toughness that can play has value but when you start overrating it then you're in trouble. The object of the game is still to out score the other team. Depth and high-end talent is what wins.
- Nucker101

Agree the PP sucked and Hamhuis out was massive. It just would have been nice to see a little pushback from our 'role' guys. Didn't happen. I think it would have made a massive difference in the room for the winning attitude. But you make fair points.

I'm not saying by any means that total toughness is the answer but there has to be a proper mix for winning. Sure CHI vs TBL in the final was massively skill based but they had their role players too and CHI's always seem to step up no matter what. Keith and Seabrook were tough and intimidating out there making it a nightmare for opposing forwards at times. Again so many key factors to winning and Keith and Seabrook really showed it out there IMO.

So basically you are saying that Sutter/Horvat is a way worse option than Bonino/Richardson and keeping Bieksa after last season would have progressing? Adding toughness in Prust to compliment Dorsett to give us more of a Lapierre/Torres effectiveness is not the way to go? Just give ALL the spots to the youth and take our chances? Just hand it over to the rookies without a proper mix?

Moving on from the old core is necessary...fact of life. I want youth in the lineup too but there has to be a proper mix in the fold.
- LordHumungous

Depth doesn't refer to lineup spots. It's the amount of quality players the team has and this summer it's gotten worse(which could be a good thing for those hoping for a an unintentional tank).

Out:

Bonino
Richardson
Matthias
Lack
Kassian
Bieksa
Stanton
Saguinetti

In:

Bartkowski
Prust
Sutter
Bachman
Jones

Man you really don't read well hey?

Many Nucks fans are on the fence on Benning. pay attention here and you'll see.

IMO Benning has done ok. Has improved this team in back to back years and even though some of the results haven't shown yet I think this season will bring some about.

Pay attention man


- LordHumungous

I know right, im with you lordH....I told him the same earlier. Makes you think its the same hate as before just with a pretty bow around it now after his suspension. Dont you just love how he uses his own impressions as fact? Lol

So many people here obviously dont know how to read. Most of us here seem to be decently intelligent people with well formed thoughts and well written expressions...... and then there are some other people who cant seem to follow along. So lets make a disclaimer here.....

Please read thoroughly people! If you just skim and make assumptions about a posters words expect yourself to get it very wrong and make yourself look very foolish.

As it was pointed out earlier Bonino was a mistake pick up. So was Clendenning. So we. Moved 2 players we had no use for.

Sutter will be playing 2C

Now does it compute?
- VANTEL

I'll just agree to disagree and leave it at that

I'll just agree to disagree and leave it at that
- Nucker101

I expected nothing less.

I'll just agree to disagree and leave it at that
- Nucker101

Just proves you're not tough enough.

I hope JV makes me eat my words, but I'm certainly not expecting him to be a bust. I'm expecting a Chris Kreider type of player at this point with hopefully a few more goals.
- Nucker101

Its unfair to expect much from a rookie. Weve seen it kill #1 picks especially iver the years.

I think JV will contribute, but most of it may not be as much onnthe score sheet as we hope. So lets hold hands sing cumbaeuya and hope hes more than we expect like horvat was.

This is a bit exaggerated, not every team in the west got better but a lot of them did. Sutter is probably better than Matthias but not by as much as some here think. This team's depth is definitely a lot worse.
- Nucker101

Majority of the teams got better. Dallas, Ed, Avs and Flames all finished behind us in the standings got better.

Wow...I haven't seen a post this stupid in a long time...


- LordHumungous

Whats stupid about it? Name one signing or trade benning made that was good this past off season.

Depth doesn't refer to lineup spots. It's the amount of quality players the team has and this summer it's gotten worse(which could be a good thing for those hoping for a an unintentional tank).

Out:

Bonino - slow
Richardson - injured
Matthias - soft
Lack - not gonna start
Kassian - cokehead
Bieksa - brutal
Stanton - brutal
Saguinetti - debateable


In:

Bartkowski
Prust
Sutter
Bachman
Jones
- Nucker101

In your 'In' column you forgot:

Baertchi
Virtanen
Corrado
Horvat moving up...we're doing ok.

I fixed your 'out' column'

Interesting. I'd take 3 less goals and take a 2nd rounder for Bonino while re-signing Matthias for less than Sutter.
- Nucker101

This was my point. Plus another no trade clause to add to the roster

So basically you are saying that Sutter/Horvat is a way worse option than Bonino/Richardson and keeping Bieksa after last season would have progressing? Adding toughness in Prust to compliment Dorsett to give us more of a Lapierre/Torres effectiveness is not the way to go? Just give ALL the spots to the youth and take our chances? Just hand it over to the rookies without a proper mix?

Moving on from the old core is necessary...fact of life. I want youth in the lineup too but there has to be a proper mix in the fold.
- LordHumungous

This makes no sense. Horvat was on the team in both scenarios. But the flexibility of having horvat, richardson, bonino and mathais to play center is much better than what were left with. Plus they were all way cheaper options than sutter.

In your 'In' column you forgot:

Baertchi
Virtanen
Corrado
Horvat moving up...we're doing ok.

I fixed your 'out' column'




- LordHumungous

Again, I'm talking about organizational depth, not lineups. Those 4 were already on the team. As someone who wants to see this team tank, I'll look forward to the results if a top 6 forward or top 4 defender gets injured.

Majority of the teams got better. Dallas, Ed, Avs and Flames all finished behind us in the standings got better.
- mauryballstein

Canucks are a team in transition with few assets to sell off. What are you expecting? There are going to be some hard years.

I always found this amusing (sorry for the size).



One of those "Undisclosed, 2 games" was from a snake bite.
- bloatedmosquito

They missed the one where his sinuses were crushed by a slapshot. Missed a ton of games recovering from surgery.

Whats stupid about it? Name one signing or trade benning made that was good this past off season.
- mauryballstein

How he handled the Weber deal was good.

Canucks are a team in transition with few assets to sell off. What are you expecting? There are going to be some hard years.
- VANTEL

Yes I fully agree. The comment was made to someone who said the canucks will be a good team this year.. My point was not only did they get worse other teams got better.

How he handled the Weber deal was good.
- thundachunk

Jimbo's projected batting average: .250?

How he handled the Weber deal was good.
- thundachunk

Ya that was solid actually.

This makes no sense. Horvat was on the team in both scenarios. But the flexibility of having horvat, richardson, bonino and mathais to play center is much better than what were left with. Plus they were all way cheaper options than sutter.
- mauryballstein

Of course you are joking or think it's Tuesday...

Richardson was a chronic injury plague at this point...Bonino can't skate from one end to the other but yet Sutter has a 200' game...Matthias is soft and couldn't fight/play his way out of a wet paper bag and you think they are better options as they are cheaper and guaranteed to have the same seasons?

We are WAY deeper at center now other than the 4th line. Again Sutter and Horvat bring us so much more than Bonino/Richardson. They can have Hansen center Dorsett and Prust on the 4th line for all I care. We are moving forward and progressing which is the option. If you can't see it I can't help you.

Yes I fully agree. The comment was made to someone who said the canucks will be a good team this year.. My point was not only did they get worse other teams got better.
- mauryballstein

I have no idea how they will be. I suspect they will be a decent regular season team and I think JV and Prust will make them a tougher playoff team.

If we get our asses kicked we get a high draft pick , if they do good so be it.

Again, I'm talking about organizational depth, not lineups. Those 4 were already on the team. As someone who wants to see this team tank, I'll look forward to the results if a top 6 forward or top 4 defender gets injured.
- Nucker101

Top 4 defender? We only have 3 of those Just really hoping benning doesnt F up and keep hamhuis and vrbata hoping to make the playoffs.

My beef with Bieksa began in 2011 while the Bruins in the 2011 SCF fired pucks at our players in warmup and he and Torres our supposed 'tough guys' stood there and did nothing. Again...Bieksa's role was clear...and he didn't want it. He was a valuable Dman at one time but those days were long past a few years back. He may take on more of an intimidation role in ANA I have no idea...but I think at this point of his career he wants to accomplish other things.

'The presence of physicality and toughness doesn't matter if you're not as good as the other team in the first place' What??

Where was this in the 2011 SCF vs Boston? We were technically still a way better team but still lost. Sometimes the intangibles matter most when it comes to winning. Winners have it and if we would have had a few players step up we may have closed out that series regardless of the Lou choke fest or Bettmans boys screwing us. At this point I have to ask...have you ever played the game at a high level?
- LordHumungous

Lord H no canucks was allowed to retaliate.....that was obvious. Any canuck taking action against any bruin player would result in a lengthy suspension. And the bruins could do anything without being penalized. He see video evidence of this that is played repeatedly over then years. You cant be rough on the team when their coach tells them no.....and it was the right choice. We didnt need halfnthe team suspended formthe entire series.

The longest suspension prior to 2011 was 1 game for a scf. Rome got 4 games.....which is what was left in thenseries....for a marginable hit.