Funny but Super Bowl winners not associated with the Dolphins feel differently, including Gruden.

However, I know you felt Nick Foles was the heir apparent to top QB in the league. Even his own coach felt differently.
- golfingsince

Gruden and quite a few teams/experts loved Bortles too and now Winston


Foles is or will probably be that tier below the elite guys imo.

First of all he would be if he was wearing a Leaf jersey . Marner and Nylander are both very good JR players. Let's see how well they produce against guys that are at least 30 lbs heavier than they are.
- VANTEL

Not every small player is gonna be Johnny G or MSL. It just doesn't happen.

Not every small player is gonna be Johnny G or MSL. It just doesn't happen.
- thundachunk

Exactly and the chances of having two on the same team makes the odds even less

This year would be his technical overage season. And he's had two straight seasons over a PPG.


I would definitely take him over Leipsic or Harrington.
- Nucker101

He turned 20 during the past season, that's overaged. In his year post draft he was 29th in league scoring........in one junior league. Again, not exactly great scoring ability.

Exactly and the chances of having two on the same team makes the odds even less
- VANTEL

Yes it does

Gruden and quite a few teams/experts loved Bortles too and now Winston


Foles is or will probably be that tier below the elite guys imo.
- Nucker101

Well Tannehill has worked on his deep ball all offseason, and he finally has some receivers. You'll be pissed when you don't take him in your fantasy pool.

He turned 20 during the past season, that's overaged. In his year post draft he was 29th in league scoring........in one junior league. Again, not exactly great scoring ability.
- golfingsince

According to his OHL status, this upcoming season would be his overage year.


In not saying he's a top prospects, but he has legit 3LC upside. He'll never be a scorer but his two-way game, hockey sense and playmaking ability are solid.

He turned 20 during the past season, that's overaged. In his year post draft he was 29th in league scoring........in one junior league. Again, not exactly great scoring ability.
- golfingsince

That's not overage

Domi was not overage

Overage is someone like canucks prospect Evan Mceneny.

20 years old to start the season is OA

Well Tannehill has worked on his deep ball all offseason, and he finally has some receivers. You'll be pissed when you don't take him in your fantasy pool.
- golfingsince

I'm sure he's worked on it, but if it was that easy then I'm sure any NFL QB could take a step forward every season. Wallace wasn't a true #1 guy, but he looked like a stud with Roethlisberger who can throw well beyond 10 yards from scrimmage. Jarvis Landry was a good fit for Tannehill since they both thrive on dink and dunk.

For those saying they would have taken Ehlers or Nylander over JV are wrong.

The Canucks have so many needs and gaps that no matter who they took it would be the wrong choice. We needed toughness , skill, a stay at home D , a PMD, a playmaker a puppet and a poet. Basically we need everything.

To me the biggest issue was team toughness and it reminded us in the playoffs again.

At this point for the next three years you still had two of the best playmakers in the league. This year they drafted the sniper.

One step at a time.

For those saying they would have taken Ehlers or Nylander over JV are wrong.

The Canucks have so many needs and gaps that no matter who they took it would be the wrong choice. We needed toughness , skill, a stay at home D , a PMD, a playmaker a puppet and a poet. Basically we need everything.

To me the biggest issue was team toughness and it reminded us in the playoffs again.

At this point for the next three years you still had two of the best playmakers in the league. This year they drafted the sniper.

One step at a time.
- VANTEL

BPA, the draft is too much of a crap shoot to draft on need. If you keep taking BPA and loading up on a certain skill set or position it's not like it'll be hard to trade promising young players in the future.

Plus the Sedins won't be around for Virtanen's or Boeser's prime

Exactly

Meanwhile how does a player like cole cassels not get on there.

Harrington is a career AHL'er
- classic321

cole cassels should be there but come on dont let your leaf hate cloud your judgement. harrington has top 4 potential. wont ever be a top point producer but can certainly be a paul martin type player.

According to his OHL status, this upcoming season would be his overage year.


In not saying he's a top prospects, but he has legit 3LC upside. He'll never be a scorer but his two-way game, hockey sense and playmaking ability are solid.
- Nucker101

OK, technically he wasn't overaged but he was draft year +2. Those offensive numbers are not indicative of what type of player he'll be. I agree that he has legit 3LC upside, but we're talking top 100 prospects league wide whereas he's probably number 5 in Vancouver.

BPA, the draft is too much of a crap shoot to draft on need. If you keep taking BPA and loading up on a certain skill set or position it's not like it'll be hard to trade promising young players in the future.

Plus the Sedins won't be around for Virtanen's or Boeser's prime
- Nucker101

Canucks upper management and trevor linden in particular think otherwise.

Linden thinks 34 is the new 26.

BPA, the draft is too much of a crap shoot to draft on need. If you keep taking BPA and loading up on a certain skill set or position it's not like it'll be hard to trade promising young players in the future.

Plus the Sedins won't be around for Virtanen's or Boeser's prime
- Nucker101

The oilers drafted BPA for years how did that work out?

You draft the BPA of what you need . Do you think Nashville need to draft another D if they are starving for offence?

Sedins are here to hold the fort until these kids are ready . They will be long gone before Canucks are ready to take a run at the cup

cole cassels should be there but come on dont let your leaf hate cloud your judgement. harrington has top 4 potential. wont ever be a top point producer but can certainly be a paul martin type player.
- sensnucksnocups

Players at any position who don't put up many points in the AHL rarely go on to become impact NHL'ers.

Canucks upper management and trevor linden in particular think otherwise.

Linden thinks 34 is the new 26.
- classic321

That explains the Miller contract.

BPA, the draft is too much of a crap shoot to draft on need. If you keep taking BPA and loading up on a certain skill set or position it's not like it'll be hard to trade promising young players in the future.

Plus the Sedins won't be around for Virtanen's or Boeser's prime
- Nucker101

exactly, i agree 100%. take the BPA available especially if it's a top 10 pick. unless you value two players near equally then i can see you taking the position you covet most.

the nucks obviously thought virtanen was the BPA, and obviously liked the physical edge he could bring. as of now it's not looking like a good decision based on the development of nylander/ehlers, but it's still too early to say. virtanen could easily become the best of the trio.

I'm sure he's worked on it, but if it was that easy then I'm sure any NFL QB could take a step forward every season. Wallace wasn't a true #1 guy, but he looked like a stud with Roethlisberger who can throw well beyond 10 yards from scrimmage. Jarvis Landry was a good fit for Tannehill since they both thrive on dink and dunk.
- Nucker101

See you don't really know what's going on. He played behind quite probably the worst O-line in the league the last 2 years with 1 real weapon until Landry emerged. Whereas his O-line is still weak, at least now he has a plethora of weapons.

I always maintained to take the wait and see approach with him since he was a WR convert. I think you'll start seeing pretty quickly this year.

Players at any position who don't put up many points in the AHL rarely go on to become impact NHL'ers.
- Nucker101

lol what? the NHL isnt just about scoring points.

harrington is a shutdown Dman. he doesnt need to score points to be effective.

there are plenty of AHL players who rack up the points but can't translate it to the NHL because they dont have the hockey IQ.

points arent everything. they are useful for offensive players but it's almost meaningless for a guy like harrington. he could score 10 points a year for all the leafs care. he's already better at defense than phaneuf so thats a win in my books...although i guess most D are better than phaneuf...nvmd

The oilers drafted BPA for years how did that work out?

You draft the BPA of what you need . Do you think Nashville need to draft another D if they are starving for offence?

Sedins are here to hold the fort until these kids are ready . They will be long gone before Canucks are ready to take a run at the cup
- VANTEL

Oilers would be better off with Landeskog and Murray? Doubt it. They didn't draft BPA after round 1, they drafted bigger players and even some shutdown dmen instead of BPA. Plus their veterans sucked. Nothing to do with who they took 1st.

Nashville goes BPA a lot of the time, otherwise they would have passed on Jones or traded down/up. So does DET/TB/NYI in recent years. ANA and WPG as well. Teams that are fixated on finding a "shutdown dman" or "powerforward" and pass on players who simply out-produced the player they draft usually end up regretting it.

There's always exceptions but going against the odds probably isn't the best way to rebuild.

My Brother is a season ticket holder and they send him all this canucks organization junk about the team.


They sent him a prospect guide that pretty much lists all of the canucks prospects and Blair Jones is listed as a canucks prospect.

Blair Franking Jones
You have got to be kidding me.

If this team thinks he is one of our prospects then we are screwed.

lol what? the NHL isnt just about scoring points.

harrington is a shutdown Dman. he doesnt need to score points to be effective.

there are plenty of AHL players who rack up the points but can't translate it to the NHL because they dont have the hockey IQ.

points arent everything. they are useful for offensive players but it's almost meaningless for a guy like harrington. he could score 10 points a year for all the leafs care. he's already better at defense than phaneuf so thats a win in my books...although i guess most D are better than phaneuf...nvmd
- sensnucksnocups

Look at all of the legit top 4 dmen in the league, almost all of them who played in the AHL before being promoted were putting up decent numbers. There's a few exceptions but it's pretty rare.

There's plenty of research out there on this.

It's not shocking that guys like Bryan Allen, Luke Schenn and Jared Cowen didn't live up to their draft status.

Look at all of the legit top 4 dmen in the league, almost all of them who played in the AHL before being promoted were putting up decent numbers. There's a few exceptions but it's pretty rare.

There's plenty of research out there on this.
- Nucker101

Ehlers or Nylander would get killed if they played for the Canucks. If you are going to have smaller skilled players you need to protect them.

Ehlers or Nylander would get killed if they played for the Canucks. If you are going to have smaller skilled players you need to protect them.
- VANTEL

Who protected Tampa's guys? Calgary's? They had two midgets and not exactly a gritty player in Monahan as their top line.

A 4th liner or 3rd pairing dman isn't going to stop a dman from trying to hit Gaudreau or Tyler Johnson. And if they had a tough guy in their line for some reason, I'd actually try to do so I can draw a retaliation penalty from the "tough guy".


Boeser and McCann aren't much stronger or grittier than Ehlers or Merkley.