did you forget you paid a bottom 6 player Sutter 4M+ to be your 2nd line C?
- sensnucksnocups

If we need to know how to lick ourselves we will ask your opinion

If you go back and read the comments, there were more than a couple of people who thought it was an overpayment.
- Nucker101

If we need to know how to lick ourselves we will ask your opinion
- Bieksa#3

Agreed. I thought Saguinetti was the Comets best dman overall though. Corrado looked better than Clendening in the AHL yet in the NHL I thought Clendening looked better. Just goes to show that it's hard to evaluate a player solely off of just watching them 5 or 6 times.

Corrsdo's development has slowed down the past 2 years, he looked really promising during the year the Sharks swept us.
- Nucker101

I think some players just play better when playing with better players. If you are seeing the game faster than others at one level you don't always play well. When you are moved to a higher level your game may not improve but it looks like it because you're playing at a level that you are supposed to be at. Not saying that is the case but I see it a lot.

If you go back and read the comments, there were more than a couple of people who thought it was an overpayment.
- Nucker101

You are correct and I may have been one of those and my reasoning was because he wasn't a scoring Defenceman but too me his other attributes far out weigh the lack of shot.

You are correct and I may have been one of those and my reasoning was because he wasn't a scoring Defenceman but too me his other attributes far out weigh the lack of shot.
- thundachunk

I am one of those guys . I still think a guy that has 40 hits and 2 goals that it is an overpayment.

He is our best D man but that is a statement more to how bad our D is ..

I am one of those guys . I still think a guy that has 40 hits and 2 goals that it is an overpayment.

He is our best D man but that is a statement more to how bad our D is ..
- VANTEL

Yeah we were both in on that being the issue.

I think some players just play better when playing with better players. If you are seeing the game faster than others at one level you don't always play well. When you are moved to a higher level your game may not improve but it looks like it because you're playing at a level that you are supposed to be at. Not saying that is the case but I see it a lot.
- thundachunk

You're probably right, some players are unique in that way or it could also just be a mental thing as well. Clendening was rumoured to be upset that CHI sent him back down so maybe he wasn't going all out in Utica.

I do believe that any player with a legit ability to be a top 4 NHL dman or top 6 NHL forward should look great in the AHL after their first full pro season adjustment and frankly neither of Corrado/Clendening did.

Yeah we were both in on that being the issue.
- thundachunk

At least this Summer our total cap hit for the 3 new Dmen is 4 mill for all 3. Finally paying players their worth.

I am one of those guys . I still think a guy that has 40 hits and 2 goals that it is an overpayment.

He is our best D man but that is a statement more to how bad our D is ..
- VANTEL

Hits and goals make Dion Phaneuf look like a stud. Flawed way to judge a dman. Hell, Ryan Suter looks meh using those 2 stats as well.

You're probably right, some players are unique in that way or it could also just be a mental thing as well. Clendening was rumoured to be upset that CHI sent him back down so maybe he wasn't going all out in Utica.

I do believe that any player with a legit ability to be a top 4 NHL dman or top 6 NHL forward should look great in the AHL after their first full pro season adjustment and frankly neither of Corrado/Clendening did.
- Nucker101

Bo Horvat

Hits and goals make Dion Phaneuf look like a stud. Flawed way to judge a dman. Hell, Ryan Suter looks meh using those 2 stats as well.
- Nucker101

Ryan Suter is not worth 10 mil. No DMan is.

At least this Summer our total cap hit for the 3 new Dmen is 4 mill for all 3. Finally paying players their worth.
- VANTEL

And the Canucks have arguably the weakest defensive depth in the league after the top 3 it's:

Sbisa
Corrado
Weber
Bartkowski
Fedun
Biega
Pedan

That's Oiler/Leaf like.

And the Canucks have arguably the weakest defensive depth in the league after the top 3 it's:

Sbisa
Corrado
Weber
Bartkowski
Fedun
Biega

That's Oiler/Leaf like.
- Nucker101

Top 10 pick.

Bo Horvat
- VANTEL

His stats in jr/ahl weren't eye-popping but the people who watched him play loved him plus his development has been great since getting drafted, he's gotten bigger and added speed as well.

Bo Horvat
- VANTEL

Dustin Byfuglien is also one of those players.

I would go all in for that angry mofo.

Top 10 pick.
- VANTEL

If Hank gets hurt for any sort of time period we are picking tip 3

did you forget you paid a bottom 6 player Sutter 4M+ to be your 2nd line C?
- sensnucksnocups

How was Band Camp?

Dustin Byfuglien is also one of those players.
- thundachunk

Nick "he sucks now" Bonino as well, but late bloomers are very rare.

Like the leafs did to Bozak? Glass houses pal.

Why don't you come back and tell us how to run a team after your team can go 2 years in a row not finishing bottom 10.
- VANTEL

bozak averaged ~48 points last 3 non lockout seasons. sutter averaged ~30points.

leafs gave up zero assets to acquire bozak. nucks gave up bonino, clendening and a pick upgrade.

nice try

If Hank gets hurt for any sort of time period we are picking tip 3
- Bieksa#3

Henrik and Tanev and I'd say this team is right there with Arizona and Toronto for bottom of the league.

Nick "he sucks now" Bonino as well, but late bloomers are very rare.
- Nucker101

I never ever said he impressed me personally. I never said he sucked either but he isn't a conventional skater and I never liked that. He always look like he was playing hurt.

I never ever said he impressed me personally. I never said he sucked either but he isn't a conventional skater and I never liked that. He always look like he was playing hurt.
- thundachunk

I did laugh at how Shorthouse would also suggest he's hurt not knowing that it was actually just the way Bonino skates


Bonino's skating sucks and Tanev has a powder puff shot and doesn't hit, while Sutter is 6'3" with speed, nice shot and a great last name, and Sbisa is big/fast, physical and has a heavy shot but to me that doesn't mean poop if you don't play well.

Tanev shuts down star players on a nightly basis and makes his defensive partner better. I don't care how he looks doing it.

Bonino produced decently and was a great value with his cap hit which means he had solid trade value in a time where everyone is looking to shed salary.

Sbisa allows a ton of goals against inferior lines and doesn't provide any offense. He's a total liability, I dint care if he levelled Jaromir Jagr.

Sutter is a 30-35 point player who has a history of being a poor playmaking center and is certainly not worth the contract he just got.


It's just my opinion but the evidence is right there.



http://youtu.be/yGf6LNWY9AI

bozak averaged ~48 points last 3 non lockout seasons. sutter averaged ~30points.

leafs gave up zero assets to acquire bozak. nucks gave up bonino, clendening and a pick upgrade.

nice try
- sensnucksnocups

And he averaged what...-20? Or we are not looking at team and linemate quality.

I did laugh at how Shorthouse would also suggest he's hurt not knowing that it was actually just the way Bonino skates
- Nucker101

Never trust a goalie to understand skating especially one who couldn't stay on his.