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carcus
St Louis Blues
Location: #Winnington
Joined: 02.12.2009

Sep 3 @ 2:56 PM ET
How am I supposed to waste time at work if there is never a new blog??????

eggsegan
Joined: 02.26.2007

Sep 3 @ 3:20 PM ET
How am I supposed to waste time at work if there is never a new blog??????


- carcus


Well, you could eat some of those delicious Jack-in-the-Box tacos and spend the afternoon on the toilet...
Yeah Boyes
St Louis Blues
Location: Ekland, MO
Joined: 04.20.2009

Sep 3 @ 3:42 PM ET
Generally around right now is the time I get so bored at work that I pass time by actually working
stljam
St Louis Blues
Location: St. Louis, MO
Joined: 02.02.2007

Sep 3 @ 3:57 PM ET
interesting question -

Given the chance to add any player to your fav team's roster for the 15/16 season for free (no trade cost), who would it be and why? (with cap hit and one without cap hit?)

eggsegan
Joined: 02.26.2007

Sep 3 @ 4:12 PM ET
interesting question -

Given the chance to add any player to your fav team's roster for the 15/16 season for free (no trade cost), who would it be and why? (with cap hit and one without cap hit?)

- stljam


With Cap Hit, it would have to be a young stud center like Connor McDavid or Nathan McKinnon.

Without Cap Hit, it would be Anze Kopitar.

To me, if this team has an elite #1 center they are golden.

I just can't pick Jonathan Toews. It just feels wrong.
stljam
St Louis Blues
Location: St. Louis, MO
Joined: 02.02.2007

Sep 3 @ 4:21 PM ET
With Cap Hit, it would have to be a young stud center like Connor McDavid or Nathan McKinnon.

Without Cap Hit, it would be Anze Kopitar.

To me, if this team has an elite #1 center they are golden.

- eggsegan


If you are going the center route, I would definitely take Toews over Kopitar. I'm not sure I would to the center route though.

stljam
St Louis Blues
Location: St. Louis, MO
Joined: 02.02.2007

Sep 3 @ 4:24 PM ET
interesting question -

Given the chance to add any player to your fav team's roster for the 15/16 season for free (no trade cost), who would it be and why? (with cap hit and one without cap hit?)

- stljam


Would anyone go goalie and take the King?
eggsegan
Joined: 02.26.2007

Sep 3 @ 4:40 PM ET
Would anyone go goalie and take the King?
- stljam


Nope, I wouldn't go goalie. Goalies can get hot hands. I'm not worried about Jake Allen.

LeBron James?

If Corey Crawford can win two Cups, Jake Allen can win.
carcus
St Louis Blues
Location: #Winnington
Joined: 02.12.2009

Sep 3 @ 5:31 PM ET
Would anyone go goalie and take the King?
- stljam

Maybe. My first thought was Price.
carcus
St Louis Blues
Location: #Winnington
Joined: 02.12.2009

Sep 3 @ 5:33 PM ET
Nope, I wouldn't go goalie. Goalies can get hot hands. I'm not worried about Jake Allen.

LeBron James?

If Corey Crawford can win two Cups, Jake Allen can win.

- eggsegan


I don't think Crawford would have two cups behind the Blues.

Price or Lundqvist? They might.
eggsegan
Joined: 02.26.2007

Sep 3 @ 5:45 PM ET
I don't think Crawford would have two cups behind the Blues.

Price or Lundqvist? They might.

- carcus


That's my point. I believe that the Blues are an elite center away from being as good as Chicago.
stljam
St Louis Blues
Location: St. Louis, MO
Joined: 02.02.2007

Sep 3 @ 5:48 PM ET
That's my point. I believe that the Blues are an elite center away from being as good as Chicago.
- eggsegan


With the playoff goal scoring drought, would you take Corey Perry (good playoff stats and more of a goal scorer)?

Too bad you can't clone Tank
eggsegan
Joined: 02.26.2007

Sep 3 @ 5:54 PM ET
With the playoff goal scoring drought, would you take Corey Perry (good playoff stats and more of a goal scorer)?

Too bad you can't clone Tank

- stljam


I don't think that we have a distributing center for Perry.
stljam
St Louis Blues
Location: St. Louis, MO
Joined: 02.02.2007

Sep 3 @ 6:18 PM ET
Nope, I wouldn't go goalie. Goalies can get hot hands. I'm not worried about Jake Allen.

LeBron James?

If Corey Crawford can win two Cups, Jake Allen can win.

- eggsegan


I wish I believed that statement.

Los_Blues
St Louis Blues
Location: St. Louis, MO
Joined: 06.22.2014

Sep 3 @ 8:48 PM ET
I wish I believed that statement.
- stljam

If Allen played for the Hawks, do they still win 2 cups?
I say yes. He would get the goal support needed to win a series.
BluesDroogie
St Louis Blues
Location: St. Louis, MO
Joined: 06.12.2014

Sep 3 @ 9:59 PM ET
If onIy MontreaI had kept HaIak and traded us Price……….

The BIues wouId have found someway to screw him up though i think.

Any pIayer, Kopitar, Bergeron, Crosby(even though he whines and is a turd, he is a great aII around offensive threat) or Toews(we shouId have drafted him instead of E.J.)


Imagine that. We drafted Toews, then we wouId not have Shatty. Iots of things wouId be different.

cap, I'd go McDavid or EicheI obviousIy. ITs been a Iong summer, can't think of too many pIayers at this point. Ask this same question in January and you might get aIot different answers
stljam
St Louis Blues
Location: St. Louis, MO
Joined: 02.02.2007

Sep 3 @ 11:03 PM ET
If Allen played for the Hawks, do they still win 2 cups?
I say yes. He would get the goal support needed to win a series.

- Los_Blues


I would say no. See the elimination game this year for why I say that.
eggsegan
Joined: 02.26.2007

Sep 4 @ 10:26 AM ET
I would say no. See the elimination game this year for why I say that.
- stljam


Oh, come on. That was a team performance. The Blues were going to lose that series.

In the two games that the Blues won, they scored TEN FRICKIN' GOALS

In the four games they lost? FOUR.

Their goals for average in the games they lost was ONE GOAL PER GAME.

The issue is not goal tending. It's commitment to team defense and goal scoring.
eggsegan
Joined: 02.26.2007

Sep 4 @ 1:19 PM ET
I would say no. See the elimination game this year for why I say that.
- stljam


Additionally, if you look at Cory Crawford's playoffs last year, you'd see that his team bailed him out early in the playoffs. It wasn't until they played Anaheim that he reached the level that he needed to be at to win the Stanley Cup.

The team didn't give Allen a chance.
stljam
St Louis Blues
Location: St. Louis, MO
Joined: 02.02.2007

Sep 4 @ 2:01 PM ET
Oh, come on. That was a team performance. The Blues were going to lose that series.

In the two games that the Blues won, they scored TEN FRICKIN' GOALS

In the four games they lost? FOUR.

Their goals for average in the games they lost was ONE GOAL PER GAME.

The issue is not goal tending. It's commitment to team defense and goal scoring.

- eggsegan


You always win or lose as a team.

I was only commenting on him saying that the Hawks would have won 2 cups with Allen just like they did with Crawford. I don't believe so for a second.

Chicago supported a proven, battle tested, cup winning goalie. They supported a guy who has a track record from bouncing back from terrible playoff games. It's different.

I'm not saying Allen can't get to that level, just that I don't believe for a second that Chicago would have won both cups with Allen. it doesn't make Allen a terrible goalie.
stljam
St Louis Blues
Location: St. Louis, MO
Joined: 02.02.2007

Sep 4 @ 2:07 PM ET
Additionally, if you look at Cory Crawford's playoffs last year, you'd see that his team bailed him out early in the playoffs. It wasn't until they played Anaheim that he reached the level that he needed to be at to win the Stanley Cup.

The team didn't give Allen a chance.

- eggsegan


The point is Cory played his best when they needed it the most. Jake played his worst in the elimination game. Unfortunately, there is definitely a trend on this topic. I'm not saying the trend won't or can't change but there is a pattern. I think that pattern suggests that the 2 cup assumption is a real stretch.

I never claimed the Blues lost the series because of Jake though he sure contributed greatly to the final loss. It's one of the reasons why I asked people if they would take the likes of the King or Price for the prior question. I don't think I would. Toews would be an option for me as would Keith or perhaps Perry or Kane (only if you didn't have the off ice stuff).

On a brighter note, compared to Ryan Miller he looked like a Vezina goalie.
eggsegan
Joined: 02.26.2007

Sep 4 @ 2:15 PM ET
You always win or lose as a team.

I was only commenting on him saying that the Hawks would have won 2 cups with Allen just like they did with Crawford. I don't believe so for a second.

Chicago supported a proven, battle tested, cup winning goalie. They supported a guy who has a track record from bouncing back from terrible playoff games. It's different.

I'm not saying Allen can't get to that level, just that I don't believe for a second that Chicago would have won both cups with Allen. it doesn't make Allen a terrible goalie.

- stljam


A goalie doesn't get battle-tested unless his team goes deep into the playoffs. A team doesn't go deep into the playoffs without clutch goals and good team defense (and improving play from the goaltender).

I just don't think that the Blues first round exit this year is a reflection of the quality of the goal tending.

There are very few goal tenders in the world that are the caliber of Lundqvist and Price. There are even fewer teams that have those goaltenders that win the Cup. The three best goaltenders in the game right now (obviously up for debate, but Lundqvist, Price, and Rinne) haven't won a Cup.

I appreciate the chat. Kinda feels like a chicken/ egg debate. There's no doubt that Allen did not play his best in the first series. He wasn't alone. Had more guys stepped up in the playoffs, maybe Allen would have had the opportunity to show that he has another level.

Until that happens, it's all speculation. Do I believe he has it? Absolutely.

Cliche time, boys! Only one goalie tandem wins a Stanley Cup each year. That means that there's 58 other goalies who "weren't good enough".
eggsegan
Joined: 02.26.2007

Sep 4 @ 2:17 PM ET
The point is Cory played his best when they needed it the most. Jake played his worst in the elimination game. Unfortunately, there is definitely a trend on this topic. I'm not saying the trend won't or can't change but there is a pattern. I think that pattern suggests that the 2 cup assumption is a real stretch.

I never claimed the Blues lost the series because of Jake though he sure contributed greatly to the final loss. It's one of the reasons why I asked people if they would take the likes of the King or Price for the prior question. I don't think I would. Toews would be an option for me as would Keith or perhaps Perry or Kane (only if you didn't have the off ice stuff).

On a brighter note, compared to Ryan Miller he looked like a Vezina goalie.

- stljam


Good stuff!

carcus
St Louis Blues
Location: #Winnington
Joined: 02.12.2009

Sep 4 @ 2:32 PM ET
A goalie doesn't get battle-tested unless his team goes deep into the playoffs. A team doesn't go deep into the playoffs without clutch goals and good team defense (and improving play from the goaltender).

I just don't think that the Blues first round exit this year is a reflection of the quality of the goal tending.

There are very few goal tenders in the world that are the caliber of Lundqvist and Price. There are even fewer teams that have those goaltenders that win the Cup. The three best goaltenders in the game right now (obviously up for debate, but Lundqvist, Price, and Rinne) haven't won a Cup.

I appreciate the chat. Kinda feels like a chicken/ egg debate. There's no doubt that Allen did not play his best in the first series. He wasn't alone. Had more guys stepped up in the playoffs, maybe Allen would have had the opportunity to show that he has another level.

Until that happens, it's all speculation. Do I believe he has it? Absolutely.

Cliche time, boys! Only one goalie tandem wins a Stanley Cup each year. That means that there's 58 other goalies who "weren't good enough".

- eggsegan


I agree with this. I haven't given up hope that Allen can be a quality #1 and do it in the playoffs.

At the same time, I thought that for Halak and still did as well when he was traded. Never got the chance with the Blues, yet fans were really excited to see him shipped out.

I have confidence in Allen. I would be WAY more confident if it were Lundqvist or Price in net behind our current team.

I have a real hard time believing that one guy is going to drastically change our scoring production in the playoffs, which I agree is the biggest issue. Tarasenko solidified that opinion of mine this year, as he continued to be a monster in the playoffs, and nobody else did anything.

I do think that an absolute stud in goal where there are zero question marks would not only lead to more wins in the playoffs, but it might also improve the scoring as it would give more confidence to the forwards to be more offensive as they have someone that they can 100% trust in net and wouldn't have to play as much of a defensive style. Same guys that have historically come up empty might start scoring more in this scenario. And we would give up less weak goals that devastate the team.

I am also a goaltender, so I probably have a bias in that regard as I tend to focus a lot on the play of a goaltender over a play of a forward.
carcus
St Louis Blues
Location: #Winnington
Joined: 02.12.2009

Sep 7 @ 9:59 AM ET
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