Rinaldo is a (frank)ing disgrace. I hope he gets hit by a bus on his way into the Garden. This way the Bruins don't have to deal with him at all.
- One_Eyed_Sweede

That would be a waste of a perfectly good CDL on the likes of him. I'd know, I have one.

Looking back at the situation Sweeney was in, there wasn't much else he could do with Hamilton.
The kid wanted out, (please correct me if I'm wrong on these points).
The Bruins made 3 offers to him, and there were no counter offers, usually the other side counters to get close to what they want.
They were really pressed for time in regards to an offer sheet coming. Yes, they could have just matched it & move someone else), but it again comes back to the kid wanted out.
Ask the Hawks what its like dealing from a weak position, where everyone knows you have to deal someone, (because of cap reasons, or in their case he wanted out).
Both of these reasons applied.
Maybe where they were guilty in this was they waited too long, if they knew what what was occurring?
All the other moves were good, yes.
But who's going to score 30 goals in this lineup?
Unless they are hoping on 6/20 goal forwards, and a balanced attack?

Rinaldo is a (frank)ing disgrace. I hope he gets hit by a bus on his way into the Garden. This way the Bruins don't have to deal with him at all.
- One_Eyed_Sweede

We hoped for this for a few years, it never happened.

Looking back at the situation Sweeney was in, there wasn't much else he could do with Hamilton.
The kid wanted out, (please correct me if I'm wrong on these points).
The Bruins made 3 offers to him, and there were no counter offers, usually the other side counters to get close to what they want.
They were really pressed for time in regards to an offer sheet coming. Yes, they could have just matched it & move someone else), but it again comes back to the kid wanted out.
Ask the Hawks what its like dealing from a weak position, where everyone knows you have to deal someone, (because of cap reasons, or in there case he wanted out).
Both of these reasons applied.
Maybe where they were guilty in this was they waited too long, if they knew what what was occurring?
All the other moves were good, yes.
But who's going to score 30 goals in this lineup?
Unless they are hoping on 6/20 goal forwards, and a balanced attack?
- puckhead17

I believe the issue was that Sweeney did a horrific job making other GM's aware that he needed to move him. I can't imagine that there wouldn't have been a massive bidding war for a young defenseman like that. Forced hand or not. I, as an Isles fan, would have given up Reinhart+++ for Hamilton. I think a lot of teams could have coughed up a better return than what Sweeney got.

I believe the issue was that Sweeney did a horrific job making other GM's aware that he needed to move him. I can't imagine that there wouldn't have been a massive bidding war for a young defenseman like that. Forced hand or not. I, as an Isles fan, would have given up Reinhart+++ for Hamilton. I think a lot of teams could have coughed up a better return than what Sweeney got.
- eichiefs9

Yes, good points.
Things would have been different, (possibly), if they weren't capped out.
I'm trying to compare this situation to the Black hawks with Saad, he didn't really want out, (from what we've heard), he just wanted to be paid like a top 6 forward right away.
It didn't matter who paid him $6m a year, that's maybe where Bowman had more flexibility, it wasn't just about the $ to Hamilton, where seemingly it was for Saad.

I believe the issue was that Sweeney did a horrific job making other GM's aware that he needed to move him. I can't imagine that there wouldn't have been a massive bidding war for a young defenseman like that. Forced hand or not. I, as an Isles fan, would have given up Reinhart+++ for Hamilton. I think a lot of teams could have coughed up a better return than what Sweeney got.
- eichiefs9

I agree. Sweeney didn't handle it the best way. Big mistake by not telling 28 other teams ((frank) Montreal) that Hamilton was available.

Looking back at the situation Sweeney was in, there wasn't much else he could do with Hamilton.
The kid wanted out, (please correct me if I'm wrong on these points).
The Bruins made 3 offers to him, and there were no counter offers, usually the other side counters to get close to what they want.
They were really pressed for time in regards to an offer sheet coming. Yes, they could have just matched it & move someone else), but it again comes back to the kid wanted out.
Ask the Hawks what its like dealing from a weak position, where everyone knows you have to deal someone, (because of cap reasons, or in their case he wanted out).
Both of these reasons applied.
Maybe where they were guilty in this was they waited too long, if they knew what what was occurring?
All the other moves were good, yes.
But who's going to score 30 goals in this lineup?
Unless they are hoping on 6/20 goal forwards, and a balanced attack?
- puckhead17

What position of weakness? Sweeney failed to even mention to other GMs he was available.

We hoped for this for a few years, it never happened.
- puckhead17

I hope he gets buried in the AHL...even though I don't want to wish him on Providence either.

That would be a waste of a perfectly good CDL on the likes of him. I'd know, I have one.
- Vayne18X

Me too! It's great being a people watcher looking down to see all those women in those push-up bras and low-cut shirts.

I hope he gets buried in the AHL...even though I don't want to wish him on Providence either.
- One_Eyed_Sweede

His energy, & huge hits in very little ice time keeps him up.

Problem is he makes too many bonehead hits, and hurts you with bad penalties

What position of weakness? Sweeney failed to even mention to other GMs he was available.
- StargateSG1

Do we know this?
Ok, it's so easy to say he messed up, "oh, I would have got 3 firsts for him" etc etc
As soon as he put him on a yard sale, most teams would have just offer sheeted him.
We didn't even see an offer sheet from anyone this summer, only the threat of one, (to a capped out team), worked the same.
What kind of deal would he have received if he announced he had to move him because he doesn't want to be a Bruin?
Not because he couldn't afford him.
"Hi, I'm Don Sweeney, I have a young franchise D man I have to move because he doesn't want to be here. Oh, did I mention I'm all capped out as well"?

I believe the issue was that Sweeney did a horrific job making other GM's aware that he needed to move him. I can't imagine that there wouldn't have been a massive bidding war for a young defenseman like that. Forced hand or not. I, as an Isles fan, would have given up Reinhart+++ for Hamilton. I think a lot of teams could have coughed up a better return than what Sweeney got.
- eichiefs9

This is my gripe as well.... I don't mind him being traded, I just think it should have at least got him a decent young piece in return, mostly a Dman that could step into the lineup.

Where Sweeney has done awesome work, compared to what PC would have done, is his contracts:

Irwin - 800K
Spooner - 900K
Connolly - 1.0M
Hayes - 2.3M
Beleksey - 3.8M

Those are stellar numbers in comparison to what Chiarelli hands out. Sweeney got us out of cap hell and added some youth.

I agree. Sweeney didn't handle it the best way. Big mistake by not telling 28 other teams ((frank) Montreal) that Hamilton was available.
- One_Eyed_Sweede

Habs have too many D already... don't think they would've been players anyways

Do we know this?
Ok, it's so easy to say he messed up, "oh, I would have got 3 firsts for him" etc etc
As soon as he put him on a yard sale, most teams would have just offer sheeted him.
We didn't even see an offer sheet from anyone this summer, only the threat of one, (to a capped out team), worked the same.
What kind of deal would he have received if he announced he had to move him because he doesn't want to be a Bruin?
Not because he couldn't afford him.
"Hi, I'm Don Sweeney, I have a young franchise D man I have to move because he doesn't want to be here. Oh, did I mention I'm all capped out as well"?
- puckhead17

Exactly...

And with all the rumors and speculation of offer sheets (and even mentions of a trade) circling Hamilton, you had to be a pretty brain dead GM to not even think of the possibility of Ham being available...

Habs have too many D's in their A already... don't think they would've been players anyways
- mlindsay

Fixed

Exactly...

And with all the rumors and speculation of offer sheets (and even mentions of a trade) circling Hamilton, you had to be a pretty brain dead GM to not even think of the possibility of Ham being available...
- Videoj

I don't know, I admit if I was a Bruins fan, I'd be damned upset with the return.
Bruins, & Hawks were both capped out, each with a top RFA unsigned, the difference being Dougie wanted out, & Saad just wanted the money.
The Blues had no fear with Tarasenko being unsigned, they had the cap space, & the guy wanted to stay, (just another close comparison).
Edit. Stepan is another situation.

I agree. Sweeney didn't handle it the best way. Big mistake by not telling 28 other teams ((frank) Montreal) that Hamilton was available.
- One_Eyed_Sweede

Maybe he learned that Hamilton just didn't want to sign in Boston a day or two before the draft?

Maybe he learned that Hamilton just didn't want to sign in Boston a day or two before the draft?
- Bravo4Bergy

Still his responsibility to make a call to every other team, IMO.

Maybe he learned that Hamilton just didn't want to sign in Boston a day or two before the draft?
- Bravo4Bergy

Was thinking this too.
Plus he has a hard a$$, all about principals owner standing behind him.
And Cam, & Charlie.
Doesn't help

Still his responsibility to make a call to every other team, IMO.
- Michael_Stuart

how do you know he didn't?

Do we know this?
Ok, it's so easy to say he messed up, "oh, I would have got 3 firsts for him" etc etc
As soon as he put him on a yard sale, most teams would have just offer sheeted him.
We didn't even see an offer sheet from anyone this summer, only the threat of one, (to a capped out team), worked the same.
What kind of deal would he have received if he announced he had to move him because he doesn't want to be a Bruin?
Not because he couldn't afford him.
"Hi, I'm Don Sweeney, I have a young franchise D man I have to move because he doesn't want to be here. Oh, did I mention I'm all capped out as well"?
- puckhead17

bump

how do you know he didn't?
- Fountain-San

Wasn't that made totally clear by all the reports? Teams telling the insider guys that they had no idea he was on the market.

EDIT - From Friedman's 30 Thoughts:

"There are still teams upset they didn’t know about Hamilton, and I’m curious to know if the Bruins would handle that one differently with a second chance, but his other moves were very reasonable."

Still his responsibility to make a call to every other team, IMO.
- Michael_Stuart

Maybe he did, but to pull off such a trade in such a short time, I guess is not that easy.
Look, I'm not saying the return was great or even good, but just painting Sweeney as stupid is not the way to go to try to understand what happened (not looking at you for that last part, but that's pretty much what a lot posters seem to think).

Also, if Hamilton didn't want to play in Boston, maybe there were other places he didn't want to go too. I think Hamilton had lot more leverage than most people think.

Let's say Sweeney tried to ship him to Carolina for the 6th pick (and the chance to draft Hanifin). First, would Carolina been interested? We don't know, but let say they would. With all the rumors running around leading up to the draft about possible offer sheets, I think Carolina would have wanted to talk to Dougie about a contract before pulling the trigger. Maybe Dougie tell them that he won't sign before July 1st. I could then see Carolina backing off a deal, or offering just peanuts.

And that scenario could be repeated with a lot of teams. Just imagine how time consumming that is.

Wasn't that made totally clear by all the reports? Teams telling the insider guys that they had no idea he was on the market.
- Michael_Stuart

i honestly didn't see those. but they were up against a time deadline as they wanted to get the deal done before this draft. they were also very hopeful that they'd be able to move up and get one of the stud D prospects. that obviously didn't materialize. he was up against it. he got what he thought was fair value and then tried to make a another deal with the picks. he didn't have the time to get it all done.

i think it's very easy for us to pick on him for not getting a huge return for a kid that wanted out last minute. and using the eye test Hamilton has a long way to go to warrant that return. he's got great offensive stats, great on the PP, blah blah.

he's weak in his own end and shies away from physical play. and he's huge. to me that needs to be addressed. not a huge fan of the Erik Karlsson's of the world.

Wasn't that made totally clear by all the reports? Teams telling the insider guys that they had no idea he was on the market.

EDIT - From Friedman's 30 Thoughts:
- Michael_Stuart

Honestly Michael, those GM make me
With all the whirlwind of offer sheet rumours going on before the draft, these GM should have done their own due dilligence and call Sweeney to see what was up. You just can't stand there and wait for deals to fall on your lap.

I'm pretty sure Treliving did, and Chia too.