Grabner would probably produce better here than NY... or he could be in Qs doghouse like Stalberg.

Not implausible. One would think Stan would be willing to take smaller salaries bakc because they can then be turned out more easily.
- tredbrta

Def possible bc he's been misused by my tard coach, a better coach will know how to use him better, plus he's a good PK.
Oh forgot to mention, 1 of the fastest players in league......

edit: also grabner has a good shot, just doesn't use it often.

you do know the flyers cap situation right?
- flyershockey

How bad is it?...Site I saw has $67 mill tied up and it looks like more than a full roster.

Are you just assuming he has endorsements or are your sources telling you he has endorsements?
- nurk

Assuming. A reasonable assumption.

not sure how accurate this site is but big difference in the numbers being thrown around here.

http://www.therichest.com...y/johnny-oduya-net-worth/
- SaskHawkFan

You know what they say... Put 10% of your paycheck in a savings account and you'll be just fine...

Assuming. A reasonable assumption.
- John Jaeckel

reasonable to assume hes wealthy? yes. reasonable to assume hes making a healthy earning off of endorsements and appearances? doubtful.

hes back!
- flyershockey

I see what ya did there! Now it's a trolling trio! Yippee!

Correct. No issue with Saad deal after taking time to think about it, initial reaction was worse.

However, I'm talking about Bickell. This is the black hole on this roster and affecting the cap. Hawks proved they don't need him in cup final. Bowman may have to swallow pride to dump him and either keep salary OR throw in a sweetner.

Point to my post was that when they signed Bickell after 2013 they didn't have ANYONE in the system who could replace him. That's where stan needs to learn his lesson when some of these role players start to hit next tier of salary requirements he needs to replace them internally so he can afford to pay his top guys, top dollars and keep this train moving towards championships.
- SteveRain

Bickell had that big playoff and I'm sure Bowman was pressured into re-signing him as he did also part of a GM's job is to assess where a player will be during the duration of his contract. There is no way SB or anyone foresaw a guy take the cash and decide to mail it in. If Bickell played like he did when he earned the deal no one would be complaining about him now.

reasonable to assume hes wealthy? yes. reasonable to assume hes making a healthy earning off of endorsements and appearances? doubtful.
- flyershockey

Why? Swedish NHL players are a big deal in Sweden. Fact.

Why are we even arguing about this? Oh yeah . . .

How bad is it...
- Al

bad enough that taking on a cap hit of 5.9 without giving any dollars back, as well as giving future assets (which hextall has said over and over he wont do) wont happen

Why? Swedish NHL players are a big deal in Sweden. Fact.

Why are we even arguing about this? Oh yeah . . .
- John Jaeckel

because you are making an assumption of 15-20 mil in the bank off of 23 mil in earnings. thats pretty far fetched. you are also assuming appearance and endoresement fees for which you have no backing whatsoever. when others throw things out with no research or backing, you hound them. is that true or false?

Sorry, I didn't feel "called out" until you got personal (above).

You responded, I responded back. What's wrong with this picture? And whose ego is hurt? I'm not allowed to respond?

I think it's reasonable to assume a guy who has two Stanley Cups and an Olympic silver medal has significantly more endorsements (especially in his home country) than a guy like Paul Bissonnette.

Kudos to Bissonnette on his clothing line. I wasn't aware of that in that I don't follow him or clothing lines. No sarcasm intended.

Back to my original point (before this turned into snark-fest):

Oduya's net worth is likely built on $20+ million in hockey earnings
Endorsements
Appearances
Investments

He's probably a very wealthy man.
- John Jaeckel

Don't forget his earnings taking his shirt off at the Stallion . . .

because you are making an assumption of 15-20 mil in the bank off of 23 mil in earnings. thats pretty far fetched. you are also assuming appearance and endoresement fees for which you have no backing whatsoever. when others throw things out with no research or backing, you hound them. is that true or false?
- flyershockey

What is Braydon Schenn's cap hit & is he a guy they would move in a bigger deal? Just askin.

Bickell had that big playoff and I'm sure Bowman was pressured into re-signing him as he did also part of a GM's job is to assess where a player will be during the duration of his contract. There is no way SB or anyone foresaw a guy take the cash and decide to mail it in. If Bickell played like he did when he earned the deal no one would be complaining about him now.
- paulr

The problem is Bickell's career was laced with floating and inconsistency. To pay him based off a playoff stretch is now backfiring on Stan. It's that simple. Stan lost this one. And now he's stuck. The Hawks may very well lose Oduya or have to trade Crawford because of this player. Stan blew it on this signing. I'd love to rekindle those threads after he was resigned.

Why? Swedish NHL players are a big deal in Sweden. Fact.

Why are we even arguing about this? Oh yeah . . .
- John Jaeckel

Who cares if he's willing to play here for less money than elsewhere.

Don't forget his earnings taking his shirt off at the Stallion . . .
- gmurban

As long as it doesn't count against the cap.

not sure how accurate this site is but big difference in the numbers being thrown around here.

http://www.therichest.com...y/johnny-oduya-net-worth/
- SaskHawkFan

And that site has Toews net worth at $5.4m - probably off by a lot. Those net worth sites are garbage. The only way to determine an accurate net worth would violate financial privacy regs unless the target was subject to some form of reporting/disclosure requirement - like a politician - or actually was willing to discuss how much he is worth.

Players pay serious taxes and have to deal with items like escrow. Safe to assume though that take home is probably 40-50% of gross. Most agents/advisers are keeping them out of stocks but it happens. I have heard there is a small group of players on the Hawks - including Hammer and Oduya - who have done very well in some kind of real estate trust. Property development in the city. Not sure if they would be allowed to work with Wirtz but that is a very large area of interest for Wirtz. Obviously, Reinsdorf as well.

because you are making an assumption of 15-20 mil in the bank off of 23 mil in earnings. thats pretty far fetched. you are also assuming appearance and endoresement fees for which you have no backing whatsoever. when others throw things out with no research or backing, you hound them. is that true or false?
- flyershockey

Honestly, who really cares??? Whether assuming or assumption, Oduya is making money and unless you're his accountant or have his financial records, why is this topic still being discussed? Lets move along with something relevant.... just saying

And that site has Toews net worth at $5.4m - probably off by a lot. Those net worth sites are garbage. The only way to determine an accurate net worth would violate financial privacy regs unless the target was subject to some form of reporting/disclosure requirement - like a politician or actually was willing to discuss how much he is worth.

Players pay serious taxes and have to deal with items like escrow. Safe to assume though that take home is probably 40-50% of gross. Most agents/advisers are keeping them out of stocks but it happens. I have heard there is a small group of players on the Hawks - including Hammer and Oduya - who have done very well in some kind of real estate trust. Property development in the city. Not sure if they would be allowed to work with Wirtz but that is a very large area of interest for Wirtz. Obviously, Reinsdorf as well.
- tredbrta

thats why i prefaced it with "im not sure how accurate these sites are"

Assuming. A reasonable assumption.
- John Jaeckel

Of course. I wasn't insinuating otherwise at all.

What is Braydon Schenn's cap hit & is he a guy they would move in a bigger deal? Just askin.
- wonthecup10

i dont think hextall would move schenn in a deal for sharp. moving 23 for 33 isnt really his MO, especially since sharp wouldnt be a missing piece for a cup run. schenn cap hit is 2.5 and hes RFA after next year.

well played sir! IF Bickell is not movable, is is possible to be cap compliant with him still on the roster? Is health the biggest obstacle? Or is it more his massive cap hit and negligable impact on a hockey team?
- EnzoD

Honest assessment? You're looking at a guy who is playing below replacement level on a contract 8x the vet minimum who may or may have health issues and is on a team that must move him to become cap compliant. I think all those things add up to a really tough situation in terms of market.

My original belief was that last performance, proximity to winning, and size, would be enough to garner some level of interest. You figure if David Clarkson can be traded, anybody can. But it looks to me now that I was apparently wrong.

Assuming. A reasonable assumption.
- John Jaeckel

If I may....

Oduya has earned enough money for the next generation or 2 of Oduya's, endorsements or not but that's not the overriding point.

John has said all along Oduya will stay for a discounted deal....To me that means leaving about $4-$5 mill on the table or more -Similar to what Hammer did.

My gut feeling was that isn't going to happen, but now it appears he is really considering doing a very friendly deal otherwise he would have been signed elsewhere.

So logically it does appear Oduya will do a cap friendly deal with the Hawks-And if that means he stays and another significant player doesn't have to go like Kruger or Shaw- Bowman wins this one.

23 earnings mean 11.5 after tax. Pro athletes have a minimal 350k to 500 k per year lifestyle. To suggest he has saved half of that ignore the fact that half of that is taxed. So if he was able to bank half of that. He probably has 5 to 8 saved if he is lucky.

bad enough that taking on a cap hit of 5.9 without giving any dollars back, as well as giving future assets (which hextall has said over and over he wont do) wont happen
- flyershockey

At this point it is Sharp + +... A couple of very good prospects would be the hook.

Pizza delivery
- paulr

Well done sir well done

Tip my hat to you