What the heck happened to this board. I feel like its being taken over by a bunch snippy teenagers looking pick fights.
- furso27

That's called flyer trolls

What the heck happened to this board. I feel like its being taken over by a bunch snippy teenagers looking pick fights.
- furso27

This..... Just gotta weed through them, same names with the same BS.

Anyways, I can't see Ehroff coming on over. I think if the Hawks were more cap friendly right now and didnt have to focus on dumping players to meet it, I think Ehroff would be a prime candidate to come to the Hawks.

Obviously I hope I am wrong, for I have always loved Ehroffs game. If he became the Hawks 5th Dman id salivate. He is the type of defender that can really play with anyone. Very solid all around 2way game. Even if Oduya walks (which I hope not) if Ehroff was the replacement I would be very satisfied.

What the heck happened to this board. I feel like its being taken over by a bunch snippy teenagers looking pick fights.
- furso27

Agreed.

Johnny Oduya has a career earnings of about $23 million. I'm not sure it's fair to call him wealthy, especially by NHL standards.
- Sandus

Dude, if you work for 40 years from age 22 to 62 and make $100,000 a year for all 40 years, that's a lifetime earnings of 4 million dollars. Once you buy a nice home in your hometown and a second or third vacation home, if you work your money correctly, you can easily have plenty of disposable income annually for the rest of your life… That's definitely wealthy...

from the guy trying to pick a fight?


Any guesses on the "very cap friendly" agreed upon deal for Oduya? Im guessing $2mil x 2 years
- EnzoD

I was thinking 2.5-2.95M per over 2 or 3... Considering guys like Kevin Bieksa landed 2/8M at 34 years old this offseason, JO at 2/5 or 2/5.9 is still extremely team friendly...

JJ, in a hypothetical world, say the Hawks do end up getting Oduya, Kruger and Erhoff signed. While I don't expect you to know this, what do you think the ballpark cap hit for those 3 players combined would be? $6-7M combined?

Just trying to do the math in my head for that to work, the Hawks would need to move Sharp obviously. Then from there, IF you can move Bickell you're probably good (or if you decide to move Crawford). If you don't trade either of them, I think it would have to be Versteeg AND Shaw moved to make it work.

Solid dman meaning another $3 mill+ in salary probably means either no Oduya or no Kruger. But I can't see the sense in adding another $3 mill dman if Oduya were here-That would be a more expensive defense than last year.
- Al

Could be part of a flip to a third team, right? Yeah...that's confounding if they're trying to keep Oduya, AND possibly bring in Ehrhoff.

My brain hurts.

I completely understand that. But it is to my understand that Oduya does not own any businesses. Just because Bizz/OEL have business ventures it doesn't mean every NHLer does. I know that Magic Johnson owns a baseball team now. Just because he owns a baseball team doesn't mean every ex NBA player owns a baseball team.
- nurk

My general point was, it doesn't have to be a big known business, could be a small restaurant, etc. basically saying majority of athletes do invest in something whether its a big/small business venue.

Solid d-man.

So that means salary coming back.

Jay also says Bickell is basically unmovable (not dissimilar to what I've been hearing).

Whether it's Ehrhoff and Solid D-Man X and Kruger, or Oduya and all of the above, I think Stanley would have to move another big salary(?)
- John Jaeckel

Let's say it's Emelin coming back… That's only $2M in cap relief. Say Oduya and Ehroff sign.

This makes me think a couple of things…..
1) They really don't think TVR or Johns can be effective next year, or they think they still need time to develop or maybe only have a ceiling of #6D at max.
2) Seabrook's asking for Giordano money on his extension…

He's not taking a 40% pay cut. I'd say something in the $4M AAV range; 3-yrs / $12M.
- blackhawk24

Just like Brad Richards wasn't going to take a pay cut leaving the rangers?

Side note and certainly not calling anyone out but the second 'h' in Ehrhoff has to make his name one of the most commonly misspelled names in the NHL

I completely understand that. But it is to my understand that Oduya does not own any businesses. Just because Bizz/OEL have business ventures it doesn't mean every NHLer does. I know that Magic Johnson owns a baseball team now. Just because he owns a baseball team doesn't mean every ex NBA player owns a baseball team.
- nurk

OEL owns the state of Arizona....according to James Tanner. OEL also can print his own money so finances arent really an issue. OEL is a demi-god.

Since I dont feel like working and there isnt much "news" to report... SORRY WIZ I KNOW YOU HATE LINE COMBO POSTS!

Dano-Toews-Hossa
TT-Anisimov-Kane
Shaw-Kruger-Desjardans
McNeil-Danault-Tikhonov

Keith-Seabs
Oduya-Hammer
Erhoff-Johns

Crow
Darling

REPEAT !!

Al, please tell me your not suggesting in order to sweeten the pot for Sharp, we need to toss Kruger?
- hockey nut 28

Not suggesting specifically but can't see the math work if Sharp goes and a $3 mill dman is sent here-The Hawks would be paying more for defenders than last year.
So can't have it all, someone would be gone Oduya-Kruger- or ?

from the guy trying to pick a fight?


Any guesses on the "very cap friendly" agreed upon deal for Oduya? Im guessing $2mil x 2 years
- EnzoD

umm, no. But thanks for proving my point

Bryan Bickell......the turd that keeps clogging Stan's toilet. My goodness.

My fear from the onset is being verified more and more with each day......NOBODY wants this guy. Nobody. IF they are willing to trade for him Bowman is gong to have eat some considerable money. For everyone saying burry him in Rockford, you save all of 925K doing that.

So if Stan can't deal Bickell.....has 2 guys patiently waiting for salary to be moved to sign on, then all signs point to Bowman swallowing his pride and taking a lesser return on Sharp's trade. In fact, he probably can't take ANY salary back unless Oduya and Kruger's combined AAV is slightly over 6.

The lesson here for Bowman moving forward is to make sure he has replacements in house, and doesn't over pay with AAV for guys who are 1 hit wonders. Jim Lehyritz was a helluva playoff performer, but I never recall anyone throwing huge money at him.........

I was thinking 2.5-2.95M per over 2 or 3... Considering guys like Kevin Bieksa landed 2/8M at 34 years old this offseason, JO at 2/5 or 2/5.9 is still extremely team friendly...
- TyYoungfelt

agreed. 2.95 would be great value. 3 would be an overpayment IMHO.

OEL owns the state of Arizona....according to James Tanner. OEL also can print his own money so finances arent really an issue. OEL is a demi-god.

Since I dont feel like working and there isnt much "news" to report... SORRY WIZ I KNOW YOU HATE LINE COMBO POSTS!

Dano-Toews-Hossa
TT-Anisimov-Kane
Shaw-Kruger-Desjardans
McNeil-Danault-Tikhonov

Keith-Seabs
Oduya-Hammer
Erhoff-Johns

Crow
Darling

REPEAT !!
- EnzoD

You have a lot of love for Johns but I think Q might need awhile to warm up to him.

Not suggesting specifically but can't see the math work if Sharp goes and a $3 mill dman is sent here-The Hawks would be paying more for defenders than last year.
So can't have it all, someone would be gone Oduya-Kruger- or ?
- Al

Agreed.....they are over right now. Take Sharp and say Versteeg. You save 8.1, which then nets down to a little over 7.4 in under the cap if the numbers are accurate. Can you ink Oduya AND Kruger under that amount?

The only way I see Erhoff coming here is if Bowman is looking to move TVR or Johns as a way to ensure he doesn't have to retain $$$ on Bickell. I don't see him moving those guys, but we shall see.

You have a lot of love for Johns but I think Q might need awhile to warm up to him.
- Al

TVR or Runblad in for Johns and I still love that lineup...even with #5 on the ice

Bryan Bickell......the turd that keeps clogging Stan's toilet. My goodness.

My fear from the onset is being verified more and more with each day......NOBODY wants this guy. Nobody. IF they are willing to trade for him Bowman is gong to have eat some considerable money. For everyone saying burry him in Rockford, you save all of 925K doing that.

So if Stan can't deal Bickell.....has 2 guys patiently waiting for salary to be moved to sign on, then all signs point to Bowman swallowing his pride and taking a lesser return on Sharp's trade. In fact, he probably can't take ANY salary back unless Oduya and Kruger's combined AAV is slightly over 6.

The lesson here for Bowman moving forward is to make sure he has replacements in house, and doesn't over pay with AAV for guys who are 1 hit wonders. Jim Lehyritz was a helluva playoff performer, but I never recall anyone throwing huge money at him.........
- SteveRain

Simple truth is at this point very few can afford either...
I Tweeted earlier.. In East for Sharp-
Bos-Wash seem done
Tor-Fla-NYI-Maybe
Montreal is the wise guy choice and my favorite price shot for Sharp is Philly because of the irony involved.

Bickell is more of situation where they may have to move him to the West for half a ham sammy and a can of diet coke.

Simple truth is at this point very few can afford either...
I Tweeted earlier.. In East for Sharp-
Bos-Wash seem done
Tor-Fla-NYI-Maybe
Montreal is the wise guy choice and my favorite price shot for Sharp is Philly because of the irony involved.

Bickell is more of situation where they may have to move him to the West for half a ham sammy and a can of diet coke.
- Al

what kind of framework would you suggest in a philly trade for sharp?

Music to my ears.

Then on the flip side, how could so many pro athletes just blow that kinda cash? Mind-numbing.

A few years back remember, the NFL was facing a potential lockout. There was word going around, not substantiated as far as I know, that upwards of 2/3rds of the total league of players would be facing financial hardships if a lockout occurred. Utterly amazing.

If JO comes back at what we view as a reduced rate, he should be commended by us fans, as a guy willing to take a lower salary for the fame of championships, just like Hammer and more recently just like Desi.

Kudos to any player who does that. For any team. In any league. At any time.
- blackhawk24

It's not really… most of the NFL, NBA, and many of the European soccer leagues have rosters composed of athletes who have been pretty poor for most of their lives, or at best, from harder working-class neighborhoods (Steven Gerrard, Ronaldinho, etc.)… It seems like they have hit the jackpot (they have) when the millions roll in, but they don't have anyone teaching them anything about basic financial sense.

Now look at the NHL… the financial barrier to entry is higher because of all the equipment -- it's WAY higher than soccer or basketball. It's even higher than football, where there would be fewer pads and a helmet to buy. Still these other sports are played in any field or on any court without a basketball not. And there are no sticks that break, ice time to purchase, etc.

Because of that higher financial barrier, the families that can afford have to be higher up the economic totem pole, and part of being higher up the totem pole is (usually, but not always) some sensee of financial wisdom.

It's a broad generalization, but I think it's probably fairly accurate.

Bryan Bickell......the turd that keeps clogging Stan's toilet. My goodness.

My fear from the onset is being verified more and more with each day......NOBODY wants this guy. Nobody. IF they are willing to trade for him Bowman is gong to have eat some considerable money. For everyone saying burry him in Rockford, you save all of 925K doing that.

So if Stan can't deal Bickell.....has 2 guys patiently waiting for salary to be moved to sign on, then all signs point to Bowman swallowing his pride and taking a lesser return on Sharp's trade. In fact, he probably can't take ANY salary back unless Oduya and Kruger's combined AAV is slightly over 6.

The lesson here for Bowman moving forward is to make sure he has replacements in house, and doesn't over pay with AAV for guys who are 1 hit wonders. Jim Lehyritz was a helluva playoff performer, but I never recall anyone throwing huge money at him.........
- SteveRain

Should have bought out that turd when he had the chance in the buyout window. Yeah, the $1.5M dead cap hit would have hurt in year 3 and 4 but the $3M for the next two years would have been massive, especially this offseason. Would definitely have helped his bargaining position with Saad a little, as well as in the Sharp negotiations.

Simple truth is at this point very few can afford either...
I Tweeted earlier.. In East for Sharp-
Bos-Wash seem done
Tor-Fla-NYI-Maybe
Montreal is the wise guy choice and my favorite price shot for Sharp is Philly because of the irony involved.

Bickell is more of situation where they may have to move him to the West for half a ham sammy and a can of diet coke.
- Al

That would be a great return right now. 4mil off the books, and lunch to boot.

OEL owns the state of Arizona....according to James Tanner. OEL also can print his own money so finances arent really an issue. OEL is a demi-god.

Since I dont feel like working and there isnt much "news" to report... SORRY WIZ I KNOW YOU HATE LINE COMBO POSTS!

Dano-Toews-Hossa
TT-Anisimov-Kane
Shaw-Kruger-Desjardans
McNeil-Danault-Tikhonov

Keith-Seabs
Oduya-Hammer
Erhoff-Johns

Crow
Darling

REPEAT !!
- EnzoD

Panarin?