Hey, I didn't mean to cause problems. I didn't read ahead when I posted or I wouldn't have said anything with all the comments on this.

I am sure he is well off, he probably doesn't have to worry about money.

But one thing that I know, the more money you make, the more money MOST people spend. It is amazing that it seems like people with great salaries/jobs are absolutely swimming in debt.

My main point was that just because he has made a lot of money in his career to date, doesn't mean that he has a ton of it banked. Investments sometimes go south. Wives might spend all kinds of money that you don't want them to. You might spend all kinds of money, people always looking for you to pay/give them money.

I just wouldn't assume that anyone has all kinds of money banked and doesn't need to worry about contract $$$$. He is likely fine as he is willing to wait it out for a contract with Chicago, but that doesn't mean that he has 20+ Million banked from past contracts/endorsements/etc.
- carcus

All true, all good man.

Good grief, take off the goggles.

OV was a completely different player this year under Trotz and he got through to OV, if that wasnt brutally obvious watching him play any game this year, then I dont know what you are watching.

I love Kane and all, but there is a reason the kid hasnt played a lick of PK in his pro career. Something that doesnt jive with your "hes a 200 ft player now" assessment if it were true.

And the PK was pretty brutal last year that if he was that responsible, he would have gotten a shot on it when it was struggling
- FourFeathers773

Ovechkin, like Kane, is OK defensively. But while Kane learned over the years to play a more two way game Ovechkin really only started playing that way this past season. When things go south for each respective team who do you think abandons that aspect of the game first, a guy who won three cups understanding the importance of two way hockey or a guy who hasn't won anything and has never underdtood or embraced two way hockey? On a scale of 1 to 10, I'd put Ovechkin at a 5 last season and a 2 in previous seasons.

I agree, but if Q truly felt Kane was that defensively responsible, you know he'd be out there.

A completely trustworthy defensive forward with high end scoring threat ability to take it the other way? Q would have him out there every PK then

The same reason Toews/Hossa/Saad all played the PK

And Q double and triple shifts Kane more than any other player and has often says he cant get kane out there enough sometimes so its not like he is afraid of over using Kane and making him tired as an excuse to not put him on PK
- FourFeathers773

I thought of that...

...but decided I still don't want Kane blocking shots on the PK.

I'm hard pressed to decide which is more spellbinding - the physics discussion from a couple days ago or the Oduya financial situation ... hmmm ... toss up, as in
- EbonyRaptor

ha

There is nothing wrong with consulting with the wife.

One thing that many don't seem to understand, if you keep her happy, there is a MUCH greater chance that she will keep you happy.
- carcus

Another emancipated man. So sad. So very sad.

You indicated that it was reflected of a good defensive player and were extolling the virtues of Ovie on that side of the puck. Figured if it applied to your assessment of Kane's defensive abilities, it would also apply to Ovie.
- TTtime

Ok I will clarify.

it was stated that Kane isnt aloof in his own zone like OV. All i did was point out OV is not like that any more.

Both have gotten better on the defensive side of the puck than they were, but they are both still one dimensional players.

Neither are 200ft players. There is a difference in evolving from standing round and routinely flying the zone to being engaged in the play finally than there is to the players labeled "200ft players"

When he wants to back check, he's pretty effective. Beyond that, his game is all offense. But who's complaining about that?
- John Jaeckel

Agree with the bolded, and IMO he seems to want to much more as he continues to mature.

So I have no doubt it has been discussed a lot in the past couple of weeks but repeat hockey talk might beat some of this random bickering... I see most roster speculation counting on tikonov and panarin as real nhl guys right away. The ideal would be dano panarin and tikonov to contribute right away but do people think this is reasonable? I know Stan said panarin was not signed to play ahl. If you have thoughts please state how you came to the conclusion (do you watch khl, compare his numbers in khl to other that have come to nhl...) thanks for any insight
- lunchbox2111

No.

I'm hard pressed to decide which is more spellbinding - the physics discussion from a couple days ago or the Oduya financial situation ... hmmm ... toss up, as in
- EbonyRaptor

It's the dog days of hockey's offseason...

...I think we all look forward to some roster moves to analyze.

Ok I will clarify.

it was stated that Kane isnt aloof in his own zone like OV. All i did was point out OV is not like that any more.

Both have gotten better on the defensive side of the puck than they were, but they are both still one dimensional players.

Neither are 200ft players. There is a difference in evolving from standing round and routinely flying the zone to being engaged in the play finally than there is to the players labeled "200ft players"
- FourFeathers773

Neither are one dimensional. That is the where it all goes wrong.

So I have no doubt it has been discussed a lot in the past couple of weeks but repeat hockey talk might beat some of this random bickering... I see most roster speculation counting on tikonov and panarin as real nhl guys right away. The ideal would be dano panarin and tikonov to contribute right away but do people think this is reasonable? I know Stan said panarin was not signed to play ahl. If you have thoughts please state how you came to the conclusion (do you watch khl, compare his numbers in khl to other that have come to nhl...) thanks for any insight
- lunchbox2111

Barring any other unforeseen roster changes, it comes down to whether Tikhonov or Danault wins the competition for the open 3/4C slot. I wouldn't rule out Danault just yet.

Dano and Panarin appear to be locks otherwise.

Haha, indeed. Pick your battles.
- John Jaeckel

Plus it's nice to be able to use the set, not just have them

So I have no doubt it has been discussed a lot in the past couple of weeks but repeat hockey talk might beat some of this random bickering... I see most roster speculation counting on tikonov and panarin as real nhl guys right away. The ideal would be dano panarin and tikonov to contribute right away but do people think this is reasonable? I know Stan said panarin was not signed to play ahl. If you have thoughts please state how you came to the conclusion (do you watch khl, compare his numbers in khl to other that have come to nhl...) thanks for any insight
- lunchbox2111

Not only is it reasonable to expect that Dano, Tikhonov and Panarin to contribute right away - they better if the Hawks expect to replace the scoring of Saad and Sharp.

I don't think there's any doubt that Dano can play in the NHL because he played almost half season for Columbus last year. Tikhonov hasn't played in the NHL in about 6-7 years but he should be fine as long as you don't expect more than a bottom-6 defensive guy. Panarin is the great unknown because he's never played NHL style on the smaller ice, but expectations for him are as high if not higer than Dano.

Ovechkin, like Kane, is OK defensively. But while Kane learned over the years to play a more two way game Ovechkin really only started playing that way this past season. When things go south for each respective team who do you think abandons that aspect of the game first, a guy who won three cups understanding the importance of two way hockey or a guy who hasn't won anything and has never underdtood or embraced two way hockey? On a scale of 1 to 10, I'd put Ovechkin at a 5 last season and a 2 in previous seasons.
- paulr

So, in conclusion, while neither will ever be mistaken for a great defensive player, they are, in fact, not one dimensional by definition. Correct?

Stan needs to make a move, the natives are restless

Plus it's nice to be able to use the set, not just have them
- stljam

The only marital advice I ever give is this.

You can either be right or you can be happy. You can't be both.

Neither are one dimensional. That is the where it all goes wrong.
- TTtime

Yea they are. But we will agree to disagree

200ft players play the PK and neither does

thats a very fundamental flaw in your argument

Another emancipated man. So sad. So very sad.
- TTtime

What no comment about it being a Blues fan too?

Plus it's nice to be able to use the set, not just have them
- stljam

Stan needs to make a move, the natives are restless
- ikeane

Define natives. Careful here, nurk and flyershorsehockey are ready to pounce.

What no comment about it being a Blues fan too?
- stljam

I figured than in and of itself is painful enough. I am not a savage.

The only marital advice I ever give is this.

You can either be right or you can be happy. You can't be both.
- TTtime

Not true. Maybe in your case, but not mine.

I have been married over 13 years and I am frequently right, and honestly am always happy.



Edit: except in April when the Blues bow out of the playoffs early.....

Yea they are. But we will agree to disagree

200ft players play the PK and neither does

thats a very fundamental flaw in your argument
- FourFeathers773

Really? Is that your definition or one that is widely accepted within the hockey community?

Also. Your fundamental flaw is not knowing what one dimensional means.

Yea they are. But we will agree to disagree

200ft players play the PK and neither does

thats a very fundamental flaw in your argument
- FourFeathers773

Yes Sire, whatever you say Sire.

Fundamentally wrong am I Sire.

Not true. Maybe in your case, but not mine.

I have been married over 13 years and I am frequently right, and honestly am always happy.



Edit: except in April when the Blues bow out of the playoffs early.....


- carcus

Mail order brides don't count in this discussion.