I agree, but Kane's 200 ft game has improved by leaps and bounds over his career. He even lays the body every now and then.
- Dunconn_Smythe

That may be an overstatement...

...he makes "contact".

Now you need to show me where I said $15-25 million in endorsements, appearances and investments. Actually, don't bother. We both (all) know I didn't. And it's not about Oduya either.

But, for the last time, what I said was, like 5 times(?), $15-25 million in salary over the course of his career, (which someone else put at $22 million?, sounds about right) PLUS endorsements, appearances and investments PLUS tax sheltering=wealthy man.
- John Jaeckel

ok. now youre changing your story, because you said 15-20 in the bank. now you are saying 15-25 in earnings. tomato potato i guess. enjoy the pall malls and keystone lights this weekend!

ps...thanks for changing the picture back to the logo

You didnt watch much of OV this year then
- FourFeathers773

One more time?

Many here apparently don't watch of Patrick Kane either, yourself included.

That may be an overstatement...

...he makes "contact".
- ArlingtonRob

yea, he never "lays the body"

he occasionally takes one hand off the stick and touches the others guys jersey for a shove

Grow a pair.
- TTtime

Partnership works way better than dictatorship in marriage. I have a nice pair and I'd like to keep them.

Plus in this case, it's really her work that is making the decision, not her.

You didnt watch much of OV this year then
- FourFeathers773

C'mon...Ovi was caught on camera, once or twice, lagging on a play.

Therefore, he always floats.

One more time?

Many here apparently don't watch of Patrick Kane either, yourself included.
- Dunconn_Smythe

Good grief, take off the goggles.

OV was a completely different player this year under Trotz and he got through to OV, if that wasnt brutally obvious watching him play any game this year, then I dont know what you are watching.

I love Kane and all, but there is a reason the kid hasnt played a lick of PK in his pro career. Something that doesnt jive with your "hes a 200 ft player now" assessment if it were true.

And the PK was pretty brutal last year that if he was that responsible, he would have gotten a shot on it when it was struggling

C'mon...Ovi was caught on camera, once or twice, lagging on a play.

Therefore, he always floats.
- ArlingtonRob

its just not the reality anymore, especially this year

but people always want to continue to label him lazy without watching him play

That may be an overstatement...

...he makes "contact".
- ArlingtonRob

It's all relative.

Just saying that he gets very little credit for the improvements he's made to his overall game. He back checks hard, he's gotten much stronger on the puck, and he doesn't completely disappear for the board battles. Given his stature, he's never going to be any kind of physical force, but he is a respectable 200 ft player IMO.

Good grief, take off the goggles.

OV was a completely different player this year under Trotz and he got through to OV, if that wasnt brutally obvious watching him play any game this year, then I dont know what you are watching.

I love Kane at all, but there is a reason the kid hasnt played a lick of PK in his pro career. Something that doesnt jive with your "hes a 200 ft player now" assessment if it were true.

And the PK was pretty brutal last year that if he was that responsible, he would have gotten a shot on it when it was struggling
- FourFeathers773

Got it. You know, and I don't. I stand corrected. Good on you.

It's all relative.

Just saying that he gets very little credit for the improvements he's made to his overall game. He back checks hard, he's gotten much stronger on the puck, and he doesn't completely disappear for the board battles. Given his stature, he's never going to be any kind of physical force, but he is a respectable 200 ft player IMO.
- Dunconn_Smythe

When he wants to back check, he's pretty effective. Beyond that, his game is all offense. But who's complaining about that?

It's all relative.

Just saying that he gets very little credit for the improvements he's made to his overall game. He back checks hard, he's gotten much stronger on the puck, and he doesn't completely disappear for the board battles. Given his stature, he's never going to be any kind of physical force, but he is a respectable 200 ft player IMO.
- Dunconn_Smythe

Agree completely...

I look forward to the day that Kane lays into someone and knocks them on their backside...that would bring the house down.

Patrick Kane is far from the dumpster fire he used to be in the neutral and D zones, but lets not kid ourselves...

Kane is absolutely one dimensional
- FourFeathers773

On a scale of 1 to 10 as far as two way playing goes, I'd put Kane at about 5, he doesn't ignore his own end and he's not terrible defensively in fact he made many good defensive plays this past season.

Partnership works way better than dictatorship in marriage. I have a nice pair and I'd like to keep them.

Plus in this case, it's really her work that is making the decision, not her.
- stljam

Haha, indeed. Pick your battles.

Good grief, take off the goggles.

OV was a completely different player this year under Trotz and he got through to OV, if that wasnt brutally obvious watching him play any game this year, then I dont know what you are watching.

I love Kane and all, but there is a reason the kid hasnt played a lick of PK in his pro career. Something that doesnt jive with your "hes a 200 ft player now" assessment if it were true.

And the PK was pretty brutal last year that if he was that responsible, he would have gotten a shot on it when it was struggling
- FourFeathers773

Honestly, the last thing I want to see is Patrick Kane on the PK throwing himself in front of pucks.

No, no, no...

Partnership works way better than dictatorship in marriage. I have a nice pair and I'd like to keep them.

Plus in this case, it's really her work that is making the decision, not her.
- stljam

There is nothing wrong with consulting with the wife.

One thing that many don't seem to understand, if you keep her happy, there is a MUCH greater chance that she will keep you happy.

Grow a pair.
- TTtime

She has "the pair"

Honestly, the last thing I want to see is Patrick Kane on the PK throwing himself in front of pucks.

No, no, no...
- ArlingtonRob

I agree, but if Q truly felt Kane was that defensively responsible, you know he'd be out there.

A completely trustworthy defensive forward with high end scoring threat ability to take it the other way? Q would have him out there every PK then

The same reason Toews/Hossa/Saad all played the PK

And Q double and triple shifts Kane more than any other player and has often says he cant get kane out there enough sometimes so its not like he is afraid of over using Kane and making him tired as an excuse to not put him on PK

Good grief, take off the goggles.

OV was a completely different player this year under Trotz and he got through to OV, if that wasnt brutally obvious watching him play any game this year, then I dont know what you are watching.

I love Kane and all, but there is a reason the kid hasnt played a lick of PK in his pro career. Something that doesnt jive with your "hes a 200 ft player now" assessment if it were true.

And the PK was pretty brutal last year that if he was that responsible, he would have gotten a shot on it when it was struggling
- FourFeathers773

Ovie plays the PK now?

Ovie plays the PK now?
- TTtime

What doest that have to do with anything?

I also never said OV was a 200ft player, just not the lazy slacking bum everyone still makes him out to be. He hustles his butt off all over the ice now

She has "the pair"
- paulr

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

So I have no doubt it has been discussed a lot in the past couple of weeks but repeat hockey talk might beat some of this random bickering... I see most roster speculation counting on tikonov and panarin as real nhl guys right away. The ideal would be dano panarin and tikonov to contribute right away but do people think this is reasonable? I know Stan said panarin was not signed to play ahl. If you have thoughts please state how you came to the conclusion (do you watch khl, compare his numbers in khl to other that have come to nhl...) thanks for any insight

I'm hard pressed to decide which is more spellbinding - the physics discussion from a couple days ago or the Oduya financial situation ... hmmm ... toss up, as in

Probably made more than $15-25 million due to endorsements/appearances/investments.

MOST players also have tax sheltering strategies.

Once more, Johnny Oduya is probably a wealthier man than 99% of Americans or people on this board and doesn't have to worry about money the rest of his life.
- John Jaeckel

Hey, I didn't mean to cause problems. I didn't read ahead when I posted or I wouldn't have said anything with all the comments on this.

I am sure he is well off, he probably doesn't have to worry about money.

But one thing that I know, the more money you make, the more money MOST people spend. It is amazing that it seems like people with great salaries/jobs are absolutely swimming in debt.

My main point was that just because he has made a lot of money in his career to date, doesn't mean that he has a ton of it banked. Investments sometimes go south. Wives might spend all kinds of money that you don't want them to. You might spend all kinds of money, people always looking for you to pay/give them money.

I just wouldn't assume that anyone has all kinds of money banked and doesn't need to worry about contract $$$$. He is likely fine as he is willing to wait it out for a contract with Chicago, but that doesn't mean that he has 20+ Million banked from past contracts/endorsements/etc.

What doest that have to do with anything?

I also never said OV was a 200ft player, just not the lazy slacking bum everyone still makes him out to be. He hustles his butt off all over the ice now
- FourFeathers773

You indicated that it was reflected of a good defensive player and were extolling the virtues of Ovie on that side of the puck. Figured if it applied to your assessment of Kane's defensive abilities, it would also apply to Ovie.