There's a big difference between what you just said - much/most of which I would agree with - and saying that the fractional reserve banking system is illegal.
- StLBravesFan

Yeah well I shoudn't have gone there

In all trades in majority of sports, its highly unlikely to get fair or equal value bc of circumstances, just a fact....
That's why I literally chuckle when I see homers make these trade offers...
- Ur Not Me

I said it all along... a 2nd tier prospect and a 2nd or 3rd. I have felt really good about that, but the longer it goes the more I am inclined to believe even I over-sold Sharp. The circumstances are just THAT bad to where he is hard to move for a fair deal. At this point, a good "return" is 5.9 off our cap.

Agree with you. Sharp's deal is not a bad deal at all. It wasn't when he signed it and it's even less so now, his decline in stats last year notwithstanding.

Despite his one year stat downtick, where the Hawks moved him to L3-W to create more balance, Sharp is still skating at a high level, remains durable, plays with a bit of an edge maybe moreso than early in his career. Lots of factors contributed to him being a bit down last year, but "being washed up" isn't one of them.

In short, Sharp passes the eye test.

Toss in his leadership intangibles, his Cup winning experience to go with a reasonable cap hit for what he brings for only 2 more years (well before his prime playing days are winding down) and it's clear that Patrick Sharp is a great get for a team looking for that piece.

Which leads me to believe YOU are correct, the Hawks are getting low-ball offers because everyone knows HE has to be one of the pieces to move. Either that or Stanley is turning down huge bounties and over-playing his hand (which I won't believe until evidence surfaces).
- kwolf68

If they are getting low-ball offers, it's not because of the Hawks' cap predicament - it's because are too few teams in the market now for Sharp: if there was a robust market for him, there would be good offers on the table.

The world existed without an organized money system for all but the last 300 years. Now compare the wars, crime, violence and inequality in these last 300 years to the previous millennia! Our society now requires an investment north of a million dollars to simply run for the mayoral seat in any city of significant size. NO average citizen has the ability to risk losing that kind of money to simply SERVE THE PEOPLE as per the Constitution! Multinational Corporations possess this kind of money and thus finance BOTH sides of the political race so that their's is a "sure thing" and not a gamble at all. ALMOST ALL, not some, modern politicians run for office with the help of money with strings attached...that is not democracy at all and it is derived solely through an organized Banking and Monetary system!

The control of any country's wealth is LEGALLY only in the hands of the people, and those they elect to represent them. However, in the United States (and most of the world) a FEDERAL RESERVE BANKING SYSTEM (which is privately owned ultimately by the Rothschild family of "Europe") has illegally seized control of every nation's wealth and monetary system IN RETURN FOR A FEE! Every single US dollar printed by the Federal Reserve Bank comes with interest! This is the ultimate scam in human history, because to pay back $1 dollar of the Federal Reserve Money (which is all there is in the United States), you MUST BORROW a second dollar! Which of course means that any country who is controlled by this scam can NEVER pay back their debt, it simply grows with interest (which artificially creates INFLATION within the economy) until the country, state, county, city, etc are simply BANKRUPT and thus taken over by the Federal Reserve itself, like say the countries of Greece and Italy, or the State of California, or the cities of Detroit, Michigan or Stockton, California.

Crime exists BECAUSE of our illegal, inequitable monetary system!
- MexicoHawk[/q


Do you split your time as Mexicohawk here and running Zerohedge as Tyler Durden lol

If they are getting low-ball offers, it's not because of the Hawks' cap predicament - it's because are too few teams in the market now for Sharp: if there was a robust market for him, there would be good offers on the table.
- StLBravesFan

Yeah. thinking the same thing.

If they are getting low-ball offers, it's not because of the Hawks' cap predicament - it's because are too few teams in the market now for Sharp: if there was a robust market for him, there would be good offers on the table.
- StLBravesFan

The fact the Hawks "need" to move him absolutely can dictate the type of offer they are getting. Also, the low ball offers are caused by less teams in market...but less teams in the market are caused by something else (perhaps his salary?). If he was paid 3.5 for what he brings rest assured there would be more teams in the market. The dynamics of a market are nothing more than whatever manipulative effects have had the greater impact.

If they are getting low-ball offers, it's not because of the Hawks' cap predicament - it's because are too few teams in the market now for Sharp: if there was a robust market for him, there would be good offers on the table.
- StLBravesFan

Sharp for a Ville Pokka type prospect and Versteeg and Bickell for 5th round picks (if Stan gets lucky). This situation is progressing in a less than ideal manor.....

If they are getting low-ball offers, it's not because of the Hawks' cap predicament - it's because are too few teams in the market now for Sharp: if there was a robust market for him, there would be good offers on the table.
- StLBravesFan

i dont think its a stretch to say its a combination of both factors. there are few teams looking for sharp. and those few teams know there isnt much interest, and they also know the hawks are in a cap crunch. put it together and no team is going to put forth a big offer.

I said it all along... a 2nd tier prospect and a 2nd or 3rd. I have felt really good about that, but the longer it goes the more I am inclined to believe even I over-sold Sharp. The circumstances are just THAT bad to where he is hard to move for a fair deal. At this point, a good "return" is 5.9 off our cap.
- kwolf68

I agree, I could see the isles absorb the whole contract, but 1 of the F's will have to be moved bc of having too many currently on roster, so the next best thing is put into trade and at least it gives more cap space.

I think Snow is trying to sell Bailey hard after finally having a better productive season, or shedding Grabner, then I could see Snow absorb Sharp's salary.
Cant do it now bc of too many F's & Nelson needs to be resigned.

Didn't u just post this before I responded;


Being a blackhawks fan I know that the Sharp deal was awful, depsite the circumstances around it



So now im confused.....
- Ur Not Me

It's not that confusing...I'll show you how. Another poster originally asked me for my thoughts on the flyers trades involving Bobrovsky and Lindros. Assuming that I was a flyers fan and also inferring that those two were the worst trades the flyers have ever made. Whether I am a Blackhawks fan or a Flyers fan doesn't matter in this situation but I said that the Sharp deal was one of the worst.
FYI Sharp was traded from the Flyers to the Blackhawks about 10 years ago.
I know sometimes comments can get jumbled but a simple reading comprehension would have helped you understand was "the Sharp deal" meant.

Deal=Trade in this example. not a contract..

#itsnotthathard

So you're a communist? And communism will solve the "#1 cause of crime"?

Athletes are paid what they are paid because of their value to the businesses and individuals who pay them. To scoff at the "MASS INEQUALITY!" of highly paid athletes is to denigrate what they do and what their value is in a capitalist market. If a person's value is $20 million, and they can fairly negotiate and receive that $20 million, you are saying they should take less than that $20 million for the good of society and more equality in the world. Is that what you're saying?
- Sandus

Your WORDS and their intent are pathetic, and exactly what the mass media teaches you to do...don't think for yourself just randomly repeat talking points from "respected" members of the media like Bill O'Reilly, who used to speak out against Capitalism until such time he was paid more to change his thoughts!

I was a hockey player! We are grown boys playing a game for ridiculous amounts of money...we are the modern day equivalent of the Gladiator...nothing more! It's just a game and life is far more important than just games!

I do NOT believe in "ISMs", I think for myself. I believe in the brilliance of human beings (including YOU) when they learn to take control of their own minds and I believe in the Earth. And I am not "mad" nor angry with you, I only encourage you to open your eyes and your mind to the bigger picture that is life. As Frank Zappa said, "a mind is like a parachute, to work it has to be open."!

can someone PLEASE tell me the name of that beautiful ice girl that is on the thumbnail.

can someone PLEASE tell me the name of that beautiful ice girl that is on the thumbnail.
- Sabre_Tooth

Google Chicago Blackhawk icegirls and I'm sure you'll figure it out or decide there's another more to your liking.

Your WORDS and their intent are pathetic, and exactly what the mass media teaches you to do...don't think for yourself just randomly repeat talking points from "respected" members of the media like Bill O'Reilly, who used to speak out against Capitalism until such time he was paid more to change his thoughts!

I was a hockey player! We are grown boys playing a game for ridiculous amounts of money...we are the modern day equivalent of the Gladiator...nothing more! It's just a game and life is far more important than just games!

I do NOT believe in "ISMs", I think for myself. I believe in the brilliance of human beings (including YOU) when they learn to take control of their own minds and I believe in the Earth. And I am not "mad" nor angry with you, I only encourage you to open your eyes and your mind to the bigger picture that is life. As Frank Zappa said, "a mind is like a parachute, to work it has to be open."!
- MexicoHawk

You know I like MexicoHawk more and more every time I read one of his posts. Not sure if he's gonna wear that as a badge of honor though.

You know I like MexicoHawk more and more every time I read one of his posts. Not sure if he's gonna wear that as a badge of honor though.
- kwolf68

Now you're a pinko, commie tree hugger!

Respect is earned
- waitforawhistle

No, not earned...but it can be lost or forfeited!

Now you're a pinko, commie tree hugger!
- paulr

It's not that confusing...I'll show you how. Another poster originally asked me for my thoughts on the flyers trades involving Bobrovsky and Lindros. Assuming that I was a flyers fan and also inferring that those two were the worst trades the flyers have ever made. Whether I am a Blackhawks fan or a Flyers fan doesn't matter in this situation but I said that the Sharp deal was one of the worst.
FYI Sharp was traded from the Flyers to the Blackhawks about 10 years ago.
I know sometimes comments can get jumbled but a simple reading comprehension would have helped you understand was "the Sharp deal" meant.

Deal=Trade in this example. not a contract..

#itsnotthathard
- nurk

Gotcha, but I'd rather go back to where it was assuming or assumption instead of comprehending, makes it better to post.... don't ya think???

oh btw, hashtags are for twitter, not a website....

Juggsy McSweetTits you stalker
- flappymcgee303

hehehehehehe

Damn and this was just getting good.

Heading out to take my daughter to skating lesson then picking up my young son's jerseys....he flipped his number from 29 to 26.

From Bryan Bickell to Kyle Cumiskey. My son? He makes me so proud.

can someone PLEASE tell me the name of that beautiful ice girl that is on the thumbnail.
- Sabre_Tooth

Suzy Q..... ur welcome

Damn and this was just getting good.

Heading out to take my daughter to skating lesson then picking up my young son's jerseys....he flipped his number from 29 to 26.

From Bryan Bickell to Kyle Cumiskey. My son? He makes me so proud.
- kwolf68

If he goes to #5 let me know and I'll email him......

Your WORDS and their intent are pathetic, and exactly what the mass media teaches you to do...don't think for yourself just randomly repeat talking points from "respected" members of the media like Bill O'Reilly, who used to speak out against Capitalism until such time he was paid more to change his thoughts!

I was a hockey player! We are grown boys playing a game for ridiculous amounts of money...we are the modern day equivalent of the Gladiator...nothing more! It's just a game and life is far more important than just games!

I do NOT believe in "ISMs", I think for myself. I believe in the brilliance of human beings (including YOU) when they learn to take control of their own minds and I believe in the Earth. And I am not "mad" nor angry with you, I only encourage you to open your eyes and your mind to the bigger picture that is life. As Frank Zappa said, "a mind is like a parachute, to work it has to be open."!
- MexicoHawk

Let's be clear, I don't have anything against outside the box thinking. But every outside the box idea needs to also adhere to the laws of the box. You say that money is unnatural and causes inequality and discord, and that's all well and good, but is there a better alternative out there? Sports bring people joy just as music, movies, amusement parks, and bars do. These things evolved organically from society and human nature.

You can argue that these things work or don't work, but the reality is, they ended up that way for a reason, and simply saying that people can open their eyes and transcend to a bigger level of humanity is idealist (yes, another "ism") and disregards the way that things actually do work.

Yeah well I shoudn't have gone there
- paulr

Hello Paul! Been a while. LOL

Interesting comments from Stars' president Jim Lites from an interview on local sports radio I caught at lunchtime.

They were talking about John Klingberg's contract with Dallas, which he thought was a great deal for both sides. Stars get cost certainty, Klingberg will make $30M and still be under 30 when the contract expires. Which brought up the subject of Brandon Saad. Lites was "surprised" by the Saad trade and thought the contract he got with Columbus was "a reach." And, "we'll see how he likes playing in Columbus."

Just interesting to hear an impartial take from another league exec.