We have been waiting for Beau's potential to arrive for a while. He has more potential breaking his wrist than developing into a capable forward that makes an impact.
- Oneonta Penguin

Doesn't matter. Unless Pens trade someone of significant salary, they won't have cap space for anyone making more than Bennett. There's less than $3m to for three more wingers. So probably Bennett and two of Sundqvist/Sheary/Wilson/Rust. And even then, there is very little cap space.

I know you are just giving an estimate, but how in the hell is Bennett getting 1.5? That is a 600K raise for terrible play.
- Oneonta Penguin

haha i knew you wouldnt like it.

i figured it would be better to be conservative. i dont see him getting that either, but who knows

We have been waiting for Beau's potential to arrive for a while. He has more potential breaking his wrist than developing into a capable forward that makes an impact.
- Oneonta Penguin

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Beau will come into camp at 6'2 205lbs and still be called a skinny little female dog on this board. Meanwhile Farnham has 6 NHL shots and is way smaller but praise be to Bobby.

I really like Ehrhoff's game unfortunately he had concussion problems. I'd bring him back for the same price we paid him last year ($4M).

And yes, Washington seem to be very solid. Physical team too. right now I'd say they are in better shape than us.
- Barnaby36

I said the same thing yesterday. Id bring him back for another 1 year stint if its the right price. Especially if it keeps him from going to a division rival.

Penguins do the right thing and sign Dumoulin to a one way contract! Now just dump Scuderi and start the season with what they have. Unless Franson or Ehrhoff get desperate and have to sign a one year deal somewhere for 2 million or less. That is actually in both of their best interest. If they play well this season they can cash n next year.

Beau will come into camp at 6'2 205lbs and still be called a skinny little female dog on this board. Meanwhile Farnham has 6 NHL shots and is way smaller but praise be to Bobby.
- usethe1-2-2

Because Beau has steadily proved that he is not?

Beau will come into camp at 6'2 205lbs and still be called a skinny little female dog on this board. Meanwhile Farnham has 6 NHL shots and is way smaller but praise be to Bobby.
- usethe1-2-2

I've always been a Bennett supporter but we make excuses for him like we do for our early playoff exits. If he was a 3rd rounder or acquired via trade (think tangradi) You'd have wanted to part ways long ago. And don't get me wrong we might totally regret it because I believe in his talent

Because Beau has steadily proved that he is not?
- Reverend Killtaker

Bad luck, poor bones strength, still trading him for a third is stupid. He has a better chance of being useful to us than a third rounder.

Bad luck, poor bones strength, still trading him for a third is stupid. He has a better chance of being useful to us than a third rounder.
- usethe1-2-2

Yeah, but the proposal was Bennett AND Scuderi for a third. And unloading Scuderi is a huge benefit to the team.

Yeah, but the proposal was Bennett AND Scuderi for a third. And unloading Scuderi is a huge benefit to the team.
- jfkst1

Yes but its removing a piece that still has value to us. Removing both opens up cap room. But it takes away from an RFA contract that is easily retainable. I would not sacrifice beau to rid us of Scuds. I do t think you have to so I wouldn't do it.

Bad luck, poor bones strength, still trading him for a third is stupid. He has a better chance of being useful to us than a third rounder.
- usethe1-2-2

I think the purpose of the deal was dumping Scuds contract. NJ takes Scuds off our books, and their carrot for taking it is Bennett's potential. We get a third in return so to still get some sort of assest for Bennett. I honestly would do the deal. We are going to need Scuderi off the books for Mattaa and possibly Perrons new deals which are both due next season, which is still a year away from shedding Kunitz, Dupuis and Scuderi. Taking the small gamble Bennett may be a late bloomer is worth the risk to ensure we have the $$$ to lock up Mattaa and possibly extend Perron.

Bad luck, poor bones strength, still trading him for a third is stupid. He has a better chance of being useful to us than a third rounder.
- usethe1-2-2

The deal wasn't simply Beau for a third, and a guy can only have so much bad luck with injuries and play. If he was worth more there would be more signs of it.

ah man, was at work and had a few minutes so i was watching 2009 penguin highlights. wow, what a magical and fun year.

i pray every day we get back there soon. would love to see this core win at least one more.

The deal wasn't simply Beau for a third, and a guy can only have so much bad luck with injuries and play. If he was worth more there would be more signs of it.
- Reverend Killtaker

I know I addressed that I'm simply saying he is worth more to us than he is worth in a trade. If he works out you get a legit top 9 winger with real skill at value. If not a space opens up and you move on. Dumping him to dump Scuds isn't worth it because you rid yourself of a decent prospect for a 3rd which usually doesn't work out.

I know I addressed that I'm simply saying he is worth more to us than he is worth in a trade. If he works out you get a legit top 9 winger with real skill at value. If not a space opens up and you move on. Dumping him to dump Scuds isn't worth it because you rid yourself of a decent prospect for a 3rd which usually doesn't work out.
- usethe1-2-2

If Mattaa wants 5M next year, where are the Pens finding that cap space? The only expiring big contract this season is Perron, and with what we have in the system I'd think he also needs to be retained.

If Mattaa wants 5M next year, where are the Pens finding that cap space? The only expiring big contract this season is Perron, and with what we have in the system I'd think he also needs to be retained.
- Willaged

Oops and Sutter, but obvisously he'd need a replacement too, who in all likely good will have a similar cost of Sutter's current hit, unless by some chance Sundqvist can step up, but that's asking a lot.

If Mattaa wants 5M next year, where are the Pens finding that cap space? The only expiring big contract this season is Perron, and with what we have in the system I'd think he also needs to be retained.
- Willaged

Let the next GM worry about that....we have Kessel now!

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- usethe1-2-2

but, true

Oops and Sutter, but obvisously he'd need a replacement too, who in all likely good will have a similar cost of Sutter's current hit, unless by some chance Sundqvist can step up, but that's asking a lot.
- Willaged

Management would be brain dead to not buy out Scuderi next season. Doing that along with losing Lovejob and Suckturd should free up enough to re-sign Perron and Maatta.

Bad luck, poor bones strength, still trading him for a third is stupid. He has a better chance of being useful to us than a third rounder.
- usethe1-2-2

That is up for debate.

Management would be brain dead to not buy out Scuderi next season. Doing that along with losing Lovejob and Suckturd should free up enough to re-sign Perron and Maatta.
- jfkst1

Yep, losing Sutter and buying out Scuds (which probably happens) would create space. I need to see something good out of Perron before the Pens resign him. Not sold yet.

We have been waiting for Beau's potential to arrive for a while. He has more potential breaking his wrist than developing into a capable forward that makes an impact.
- Oneonta Penguin

To be fair, we all say we want forwards under 25 who make an impact. And there are guys littered around the league, even ones we talk about on here (Nyqvist, Hoffman, etc), that really dont do anything until 24 or 25.

Take Nyqvist for example. He did nothing, even in his stints with the NHL club at 22 and 23 yrs old, until he was 24 and finally broke out.

In summary, we all preach patience with our prospects on here and letting them devlop, yet, I can't believe how many of you are willing to throw away that potential on a 23 year old forward for nothing.

J.R. quotes:

Are you still looking to sign a bottom-six forward, particularly a fourth-line center?

"We're working on a couple of things. It gets a little more difficult now with the [salary] cap space we have. We're still working on it. [With] the signing of [Kevin] Porter and [forward Oskar] Sundqvist coming along, we're okay starting that way too."

This may be an antiquated notion, but are you lacking in toughness at all? You've lost some of your top fighters such as Steve Downie and Simon Despres the last few months.

"Well we won't have as much of it on an individual basis next year. We've looked at it every which way. We feel going with skill level is the way we want to go with more balance in our forwards. We'll have to add some toughness when we feel we need it for certain games or certain stretches of time but right now, based on us looking at what was more important – to have the individual toughness or to have more skill – we're looking at going with more skill and more balance throughout the roster."

To be fair, we all say we want forwards under 25 who make an impact. And there are guys littered around the league, even ones we talk about on here (Nyqvist, Hoffman, etc), that really dont do anything until 24 or 25.

Take Nyqvist for example. He did nothing, even in his stints with the NHL club at 22 and 23 yrs old, until he was 24 and finally broke out.

In summary, we all preach patience with our prospects on here and letting them devlop, yet, I can't believe how many of you are willing to throw away that potential on a 23 year old forward for nothing.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

It's not for nothing. It's for unloading Scuderi, which is a huge albatross on the team right now.