If the Sedins are replaced as the 1st line because the kids have stepped up and are deserving of the 1st line, that isn't so bad. Sedins may still have value.

If the Sedins are replaced because their play has fallen off and they are at the end of their careers... well what can you do? Sedins have little to no value.

Would it be better to move them and get picks? yes. I still don't see it happening unless it is in the last year of their deal, tdl, and want to be traded to a contender. We eat salary, at get picks/prospects.

If they stick around and mentor while holding down the 2nd line and 2nd pp, that could also serve the youth and club well. I'd rather have the picks but I don't think with their careers and time/community work in Vancouver, they will be asked to waive. It'll may have to come from them.
- hillbillydeluxe

My opinion is if they are playing second line then they are not mentoring anyone, just a $14mil+ second line.

If our rebuild takes as long as the Oilers then we might as well extend their contracts. Plus the Oiler youth had Ryan Smyth, Hemsky, and Horcoff and that didn't work to well.
- A_SteamingLombardi

I am too lazy to look it up, but I thought Smyth had moved on prior to most of them joining the squad and returned briefly for a retirement lap. Regardless he had decline sharply by then. Horcoff and Hemsky are hardly role models or mentors, both were borderline all stars and never in the same consideration the Sedins were for elite. And yes I would consider extending them if the situation warrants it, such as price and role

If our rebuild takes as long as the Oilers then we might as well extend their contracts. Plus the Oiler youth had Ryan Smyth, Hemsky, and Horcoff and that didn't work to well.
- A_SteamingLombardi

I'm having trouble reading my magic 8 ball, the future is unclear.

I think we keep them to transition from old to new. If we have some prospects that are truly future nhler's, these prospects will be pushing for opportunities and have to earn their chances. Sedin's could still ask for a trade or re-up if they are re-energized by the youth.

If you move them, I think the rebuild takes longer. Less support/insulation for whoever is left and it turns into a longer rebuild like in Edmonton. The kids need good veteran character leadership like they had in Calgary.

My opinion is if they are playing second line then they are not mentoring anyone, just a $14mil+ second line.
- A_SteamingLombardi

I'm not sure how second line means they aren't mentoring? Dorsett was credited for helping Horvat and Kenins and he was a 4th liner. Mentoring would be all off-ice behavior, if Virtanen looks across the room at 35 year old Daniel Sedin and how hard he works to be a 2nd line winger in the NHL, JV knows whats expected of him. The alternative is someone from the room not being able to step in to tell the young guys to take it easy going to the bar after every game

Trade the Sedin's, Hamhuis, Vrbata, Burrows, Edler, Hansen...
- VanHockeyGuy

Fixed!!

The kid is only 18... never hear of them making contributions at the ripe old age of 18
- hillbillydeluxe

Who the hell does he think he is Sam Bennett ??!

My opinion is if they are playing second line then they are not mentoring anyone, just a $14mil+ second line.
- A_SteamingLombardi

I look at Hudler on the Flames. he played top line and I think Monahan lived at his house with Hudler's family. Monahan was able to see Hudler's work, preparation, training, eating habits, etc..

I am not expecting anyone to live with the Sedins but to this point, if the Sedins haven't been mentors, I think they have at least had an influence by their mere presence, training, professionalism and work ethic. Even as they are entering their twilight years as players, they are often in the best shape at preseason fitness testing.

I don't see how being on the 2nd line diminishes their influence if they are still productive. I am willing to accept you being wrong if you are willing to accept I'm right.

Who the hell does he think he is Sam Bennett ??!
- Redmile247

You guys have rebounded quite well. Had a nice run in the playoffs. congrats.

Let the Oilers have their moment. The battle of Alberta just got better and hockey in the pacific division is going to be more entertaining all around.

I'm not sure how second line means they aren't mentoring? Dorsett was credited for helping Horvat and Kenins and he was a 4th liner. Mentoring would be all off-ice behavior, if Virtanen looks across the room at 35 year old Daniel Sedin and how hard he works to be a 2nd line winger in the NHL, JV knows whats expected of him. The alternative is someone from the room not being able to step in to tell the young guys to take it easy going to the bar after every game
- WhiteLie

Who do you think took the job from Daniel? If you take his job, the mentoring stops.

You guys have rebounded quite well. Had a nice run in the playoffs. congrats.

Let the Oilers have their moment. The battle of Alberta just got better and hockey in the pacific division is going to be more entertaining all around.
- hillbillydeluxe

Totally agree ....but it's the oilers ...it's tough to let a team who just falls ass backwards into talent have their moment

It was a joke... Its all the Oilers guys were talking about... Kids a stud but its a prospect camp...
- geta02it

You're right. the oilers, fans, etc... are a joke.

The guy will be a solid/ good to great player if he lives up to even part of the hype he's gotten.

I'm interested to see what happens next in terms of the Nux shedding guys at the deadline and picking up first round picks for next season and maybe they win the lottery pick.

if that happens then watch out. Austen Matthews would be a nice piece to build around with guys like McCann, Cassels, Horvat, Virtanen, Boeser, Demko, Jasek, the Ruskie, Shink, etc...

Who do you think took the job from Daniel? If you take his job, the mentoring stops.
- A_SteamingLombardi

JV was only an example, it could literally be any player. But are the Sedins only capable of mentoring first line? Why would it stop there? How they conduct and train all year is only applicable to first line players? If a player is better than them (basically due to age) that doesn't mean they are incapable of learning anything from them anymore. They have been around and played at a high level for so long, they have much to show other players

Ya that sums it up. Probably getting the gretzky treatment too.....red carpet, everyone pass to him and protect him.

JV was only an example, it could literally be any player. But are the Sedins only capable of mentoring first line? Why would it stop there? How they conduct and train all year is only applicable to first line players? If a player is better than them (basically due to age) that doesn't they are incapable of learning anything from them anymore. They have been around and played at a high level for so long, they have much to show other players
- WhiteLie

not to mention that in their decade+ in vancouver, they have taken just a tiny bit of criticism from fans/media and even some of their coaches.

i'm thinking that some of these high level prospects with great expectations placed on their shoulders from the outset might benefit from their wisdom. but then again, none of these prospects will ever have a slump early on.

Like no one else ever scored 5 goals before...

it's already been done in practice by someone... it's just media hype that talks about 5 goals in practice like it means something....
- kaptaan

Canucks have players on the farm that scored 4 in a pro game. Dont see us raving and boasting. But thats oilers for ya, chirping about everything, planning the parade when training camps not even started.

My recap from last night:

Now that was fun. Good thing we were very early or else we wouldn't have had a seat.

Sorry I didn't see everyone from our seats so don't have reports on several players

Obviously these are all true Canucks, they have mastered the most important of all Canuck skills - the ability to make the goalie look like the 2nd best in the world. 2nd only to the goal posts.... Maybe next year they can add a remedial course on the purpose of the net.

My primary focus was on the offensive side, so no defensive comments. I ignored the goalies. Everyone had their moments where they looked great and those which they would have liked a redo on

I saw a lot of the following but they did not stand out to me in any particular way (not bad - just nothing special):
Cederholm, Hamilton, Hutton, Lemcke, McEneny, Neill, Sautner, Gardiner, Pettit, Stevens.

Jordan "I will drag this puck through the other team 3 times" Subban. AKA "SparkPlug". Also AKA "The Human Zamboni" - He always had the puck on his stick. Where everyone else was playing 3 on 3, he was playing 1 - 5. He did an excellent job keeping the ice clear with his backside. The kid has skills, fast and able to stickhandle with speed. He needs to build up his lower body strength so he can stay upright in the tough areas. Also needs to be introduced to his teammates. I wonder if he was able to pull the bus by himself?

Lukas Jasek - Fast, Slippery, Skilled and can shoot the puck. He stood out in the crowd. To me the best player on the ice. Not the strongest player on the ice - I hope they introduce him to the weight room.

Matthew Lane - Fast and talented - stood out at times

Jared McCann ("McCannon") - Another one that stood out. He has a killer hard shot. The posts and the boards got a real workout. Overall looked like potential waiting to be tapped. Not NHL ready yet but he will get there and make his mark. Always seemed to be in the right spot. Used his team mates.

Dmitry Zhukenov - Obviously extremely talented. Not quite as fast, slippery or skilled as Jasek but you could tell it was there. It felt like he was not overly comfortable, not really settled in yet. All very understandable given that he was new to North America. Give him time in the CHL to get settled and he will shine.

So much for the boys - then there was Stewart Mackenzie. Physically, he is totally in a different league than the rest of them. He looked like a seasoned NHL pro. He could have pulled the bus by himself. I see why Benning signed this guy. He WILL be an NHL player - likely bottom 6. He worked extremely hard and was consistent. Seemed to be a jack-of-all-trades type of guy. All around decent skills but nothing that made him look better than anyone else. However, you knew when he was on the ice, he was working hard, he was creating space, he was in control of the play around him. It was a sense a presence that said: "I am here and I own this ice". Physically, he was the only one that I saw that was NHL ready. Skill set will never be more than adequate. Will be a fan favorite.

The trio that I enjoyed watching the most and who seemed to be the most dominate was the line of McCann, Jasek and Stewart.

Of all the people there, the person that attracted the most attention was Trev. The kids were drooling over the autographs on their Canucks jersey. The teenage girls were having problems staying out of his lap. I see nothing has changed since he was 18! Trev has the fire starting skill nailed with the girls.
- Lostinarink

Was Shink at this camp? Haven't heard anything about him lately.

So, with the roster spots open......2 maybe 3 forward spots who makes it?
We know sven is a lock due to be waiver eligible, JV is probably in there too as JB has hinted several times. Who else makes it?

Shinkaruk? Grenier?

not to mention that in their decade+ in vancouver, they have taken just a tiny bit of criticism from fans/media and even some of their coaches.

i'm thinking that some of these high level prospects with great expectations placed on their shoulders from the outset might benefit from their wisdom. but then again, none of these prospects will ever have a slump early on.
- RealityChecker

I hadn't even considered their early "Sedin-Sisters" careers in this... if anyone can help the mental dealings with Vancouver media its them!

Canucks have players on the farm that scored 4 in a pro game. Dont see us raving and boasting. But thats oilers for ya, chirping about everything, planning the parade when training camps not even started.
- SMBDragon

So just another summer in Edmonton then.

(A bit of a cheap shot, they've done more to improve their team this summer than in the last few combined, but I'll wait until they play a regular season game before declaring them a legit anything.)

My opinion is if they are playing second line then they are not mentoring anyone, just a $14mil+ second line.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Can mentoring only take place on the first line?

So just another summer in Edmonton then.

(A bit of a cheap shot, they've done more to improve their team this summer than in the last few combined, but I'll wait until they play a regular season game before declaring them a legit anything.)
- CubanBuffet

Not a cheap shot, more pointing stuff out to them in hopes they stop coming to canucks threads parading around like they do about their team that so far hasnt been out of the basement in a decade. They can do their stupidness in their own forum. No reason to troll here.

Who do you think took the job from Daniel? If you take his job, the mentoring stops.
- A_SteamingLombardi

No it doesn't. And JV wouldn't be the only guy to be mentored. Only an arrogant, prk player would think that as soon as they are on the first line, he has nothing left to learn.

So, with the roster spots open......2 maybe 3 forward spots who makes it?
We know sven is a lock due to be waiver eligible, JV is probably in there too as JB has hinted several times. Who else makes it?

Shinkaruk? Grenier?
- SMBDragon

I really doubt Shink makes it, he is still waiver ineligible and still needs a lot of improvement before he is able to make the jump.

Grenier, Kennins and Jones are the only realistic options coming out of camp IMO.

It would be a mistake to rush JV as well, he might get 9 games especially if there is an injury but I think the roster is essentially set.

Sedin Sedin Vrbata
Bae Bonino Burrows
Higgins Horvat Hansen
Prust Vey Dorsett

Kennins/Grenier/Jones as the 13th forward.

If Vey struggles or we lose a C to injury Jones has a chance otherwise Kennins will likely be the 13th forward IMO. Grenier might force himself into the line up but I think they will try to sneak him back through waivers and call him up later in the season possibly.

No it doesn't. And JV wouldn't be the only guy to be mentored. Only an arrogant, prk player would think that as soon as they are on the first line, he has nothing left to learn.
- bazz

Who have the Sedins mentored anyways? Raymond? Kesler? Hansen? I can't think of any current young player?

Edit: It didn't work with Kassian

No it doesn't. And JV wouldn't be the only guy to be mentored. Only an arrogant, prk player would think that as soon as they are on the first line, he has nothing left to learn.
- bazz

A young player that disregards a veteran team mate that has had a stellar career... first thing to question, is this player coachable? if they aren't, you have to ask what are they worth in a trade? can we get someone better?