Maybe Benning was banking on landing Lucic?
- VanHockeyGuy

Maybe next year? Any talk of Lucic extending with the Kings?

Just watch, we land more grit and the league goes and reduces body contact and starts calling everything...

Hey Vancity.... Tried out Estrellas today....
- SMP8719

Lucky bastard, the website made my mouth water.

Apparently under NCAA rules he had to pay his own way.
- docmorgan

All post secondary education is like that. Same rules apply for amateur golf when they win a pga tourney as an amateur. If you take the cash after a win and not just the trophy your forfeit your college eligibility and become a professional. Basketball, football ect.

Hey Vancity.... Tried out Estrellas today....
- SMP8719

Was it the best Deli ever?

All post secondary education is like that. Same rules apply for amateur golf when they win a pga tourney as an amateur. If you take the cash after a win and not just the trophy your forfeit your college eligibility and become a professional. Basketball, football ect.
- thundachunk

That isn't so bad.

I thought they had to declare before the tourney or whatever. But yeah, imagine being in an ncaa golf program, you get a chance to play a pga tourney and somehow win... take the money baby

All those ncaa rules are a joke when it comes to money. I'd guess Demko's family has a bit of money and it's no big deal to fly up here. In one of the interviews Demko said McCann went down and stayed with him at his family home in San Diego after the camp last year. Hard times in the maritimes.

That isn't so bad.

I thought they had to declare before the tourney or whatever. But yeah, imagine being in an ncaa golf program, you get a chance to play a pga tourney and somehow win... take the money baby

All those ncaa rules are a joke when it comes to money. I'd guess Demko's family has a bit of money and it's no big deal to fly up here. In one of the interviews Demko said McCann went down and stayed with him at his family home in San Diego after the camp last year. Hard times in the maritimes.
- hillbillydeluxe

There are ways around it.

I would never, ever call Matthius a power forward.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Do the same with Hamhuis then.
- VanHockeyGuy

You have to hide the fact that you're fireselling, otherwise the offers coming in will be crap. Not that they have been better otherwise.

Hamhuis will fetch goodies in March. As will Burrows and a few others. Just wait till next draft and FA signing weekend, should hold even more drama potential...

That isn't so bad.

I thought they had to declare before the tourney or whatever. But yeah, imagine being in an ncaa golf program, you get a chance to play a pga tourney and somehow win... take the money baby

All those ncaa rules are a joke when it comes to money. I'd guess Demko's family has a bit of money and it's no big deal to fly up here. In one of the interviews Demko said McCann went down and stayed with him at his family home in San Diego after the camp last year. Hard times in the maritimes.
- hillbillydeluxe

Times are hard everywhere about now.

There are ways around it.
- thundachunk

Some are more honest than others. Heard stories of some basketball players on scholarship not having enough money for food during the week. Don't know how that works, but it is messed up.

have a rich family? no problem. And the athletic program and coaches making huge coin... sounds like rules that hurt the poor and have no impact on the rich.

Maybe next year? Any talk of Lucic extending with the Kings?

Just watch, we land more grit and the league goes and reduces body contact and starts calling everything...
- hillbillydeluxe

Benning said he was in on that until the end.

Benning said he was in on that until the end.
- VanHockeyGuy

Wondering who was dangled?

I'm glad we didn't land him this year. We aren't going anywhere and our d still needs work. Lets see if there is any hometown discount next summer.

Times are hard everywhere about now.
- thundachunk

Recession. Good thing to blame season ticket sales on.

Some are more honest than others. Heard stories of some basketball players on scholarship not having enough money for food. Don't know how that works, but it is messed up.
- hillbillydeluxe

Not really. If they accept money its like taking a bribe. I understand the logic of it.

Recession. Good thing to blame season ticket sales on.

- VanHockeyGuy

I don't know about recession but I used to work a lot more.

Not really. If they accept money its like taking a bribe. I understand the logic of it.
- thundachunk

I understand the logic too, but it is flawed.

exploiting young 17 to 21 year olds who are gifted athletes and from economically marginalized families and telling them they can't take a handout to attend a development camp while similar athletes from privileged backgrounds get to take advantage of these camps because their parents have money and can pay their way.

Talk about NCAA making the rules, profiting off the name and likeness of their athletes in marketing and ticket sales (stuff like video games) and those same players can't even sell their autograph? Now there is an old boys club if there ever was one.

(coffee is hitting me now)

I understand the logic too, but it is flawed.

exploiting young 17 to 21 year olds who are gifted athletes and from economically marginalized families and telling them they can't take a handout to attend a development camp while similar athletes from privileged backgrounds get to take advantage of these camps because their parents have money and can pay their way.

Talk about NCAA making the rules, profiting off the name and likeness of their athletes in marketing and ticket sales (stuff like video games) and those same players can't even sell their autograph? Now there is an old boys club if there ever was one.

(coffee is hitting me now)
- hillbillydeluxe

Yet these same athletes are getting millions of dollars in scholarships and can go to school away from those economically marginalized homes and pursue their dreams that they might not otherwise have been able to do. I'm not against giving them some pocket money, but let's face it, they're supposed to be there to get an education, even if the NCAA is a quasi-minor league of the NBA, NFL, NHL and MLB. The fact is, the rules are there to prevent the athletes from profiting while they're still classified as amateurs.

Yet these same athletes are getting millions of dollars in scholarships and can go to school away from those economically marginalized homes and pursue their dreams that they might not otherwise have been able to do. I'm not against giving them some pocket money, but let's face it, they're supposed to be there to get an education, even if the NCAA is a quasi-minor league of the NBA, NFL, NHL and MLB. The fact is, the rules are there to prevent the athletes from profiting while they're still classified as amateurs.
- DariusKnight

yes, they are supposed to be there for an education, are they all getting that education? What are the goals of the league and player?

The universities are more concerned about the revenue generated by these student athletes than their school work.

Maybe the line between amateur and professional has gotten too blurred over the last few decades. Olympics for amateurs yet you get sponsors for training and development? Back when Olympic hockey was amateur, the Russians would send their players who were Red Army or whatever, paid to be Red Army but practiced and played hockey all the time.

NCAA Basketball, Football are professional leagues filled with amateur players so the colleges can keep all the profits and not pay the players.


I agree they should be given some walking around money at the very least.

If as a litmus test to decide if they were an athlete or student primarily and secondly, I would bet more time is spent on the sport they play than the courses they take which would include classes, studying, games, practice and training....

yes, they are supposed to be there for an education, are they all getting that education? What are the goals of the league and player?

The universities are more concerned about the revenue generated by these student athletes than their school work.

Maybe the line between amateur and professional has gotten too blurred over the last few decades. Olympics for amateurs yet you get sponsors for training and development? Back when Olympic hockey was amateur, the Russians would send their players who were Red Army or whatever, paid to be Red Army but practiced and played hockey all the time.

NCAA Basketball, Football are professional leagues filled with amateur players so the colleges can keep all the profits and not pay the players.


I agree they should be given some walking around money at the very least.

If as a litmus test to decide if they were an athlete or student primarily and secondly, I would bet more time is spent on the sport they play than the courses they take which would include classes, studying, games, practice and training....
- hillbillydeluxe

I also question the type of education these athletes get. Especially when I see them being interviewed and they can barely put two sentences together (not really in hockey but definitely in sports like football and basketball). I think the NCAA is basically a business and the amounts of money spent on recruiting/advertising and the actual programs themselves is quite substantial. That said, I think it's a two way street, in that athletes take advantage of the system - many collegians are just there for advancement in their sport and have no intention of even graduating, as they will turn pro after their first or second year. It's certainly a flawed system but for the most part, it seems both the athlete and college(s) are getting what they want out of it

I also question the type of education these athletes get. Especially when I see them being interviewed and they can barely put two sentences together (not really in hockey but definitely in sports like football and basketball). I think the NCAA is basically a business and the amounts of money spent on recruiting/advertising and the actual programs themselves is quite substantial. That said, I think it's a two way street, in that athletes take advantage of the system - many collegians are just there for advancement in their sport and have no intention of even graduating, as they will turn pro after their first or second year. It's certainly a flawed system but for the most part, it seems both the athlete and college(s) are getting what they want.
- Zogg

Maybe. It is hard to say if the athlete is getting what they want, maybe they aren't getting what they need?

I would guess that some of these kids were exploited along the way... If some of these kids are getting into universities and they don't belong there to begin with- can't read or haven't been getting the education and just been getting passed so they can play their sport... it is bad enough if this happens in jr. high and high school, but to actually get a scholarship for university.... it is no longer about the education, can't even give the education argument any weight, it is about the sport.

Why would educators and school staff look the other way? on field success for their school? revenue for college? greed?

You should question the kind of education these student athletes are receiving.

Am I sounding too much like a bleeding heart?


Scholarships and college are a great option for the poor athlete because they are so limited in options to begin with. Imagine how different it would be in the states if an education was a right and not a privilege? Thinking of some of those countries where it is all paid for, kids just have to graduate and keep passing.


WD interview around 38:00 mark:
http://www.tsn.ca/radio/v...ce-july-7-hour-2-1.327413

Maybe. It is hard to say if the athlete is getting what they want, maybe they aren't getting what they need?

I would guess that some of these kids were exploited along the way... If some of these kids are getting into universities and they don't belong there to begin with- can't read or haven't been getting the education and just been getting passed so they can play their sport... it is bad enough if this happens in jr. high and high school, but to actually get a scholarship for university.... it is no longer about the education, can't even give the education argument any weight, it is about the sport.

Why would educators and school staff look the other way? on field success for their school? revenue for college? greed?

You should question the kind of education these student athletes are receiving.

Am I sounding too much like a bleeding heart?


Scholarships and college are a great option for the poor athlete because they are so limited in options to begin with. Imagine how different it would be in the states if an education was a right and not a privilege? Thinking of some of those countries where it is all paid for, kids just have to graduate and keep passing.


WD interview around 38:00 mark:
http://www.tsn.ca/radio/v...ce-july-7-hour-2-1.327413
- hillbillydeluxe

It would be nice to see more success stories, where the athlete actually takes advantage of such a great chance at furthering their education. However, it's always going to be about the money, in the end. I think both parties exploit each other as it suits their agenda.

As to your question about why educators would look the other way, I think there are elements of each at work as you noted (revenues, prestige and advancement of the program as well as just outright greed). Because funds which are received from the sports programs usually also pay for scholastic funding as well, it's to the benefit of everyone not to rock the boat. And on an individual case basis, there's not much an athlete can do in terms of ensuring proper stewardship of the various scholarships.

But I understand where you are coming from. It's the NCAA that has all the power and they of course set the guidelines to their advantage. Still, the athletes get a great opportunity on several levels - getting pretty much nation -wide exposure in their sport as well as the educational elements. It's up to them to take advantage as concerns the latter.

As far as education in general, quite a few European countries are getting it right; that is, providing scholarships as well as funding for any student. This is where the US and Canada are unfortunately far behind, but that is a whole other topic which requires further scrutiny on its own.

And yes, you are a bleeding heart! lol

It's easy to complain about not trading Matthias at the TDL now, but let's not forget some of the same folks were ready to offer him a multi-year deal worth $3.5/season back at the deadline. I'd much rather him have walked for free than have him around at that salary for another 3 years.

deal
- pker2theend

i'm sticking with my Edler to Ottawa for Zibenijad.

edler gets paired with Karlson.
Zibs gives us that young C that we can lock up long term.

back up plan is Edler for Hoffman and a 2nd.

Was it the best Deli ever?
- thundachunk

Dunno about deli but the smoked meat sandwiches were damn tasty and a lot of meat!!!

Dunno about deli but the smoked meat sandwiches were damn tasty and a lot of meat!!!

- SMP8719

you filthy carnivore!