This is true. But when you have the generational level talent that the Pens do, there really is no way to justify doing a rebuild while wasting the prime years of 87 and 71.
- Emperor Filonius

ok maybe not a rebuild but how bout a retooling , maybe just accept a year or two on a retool. Do you really think at 30 that Crosby and Malkin will fall of a cliff offensively ?

How old is Jagr now ...?

it was a bit round about... you talked about our barren farm system and then i compared the fact your farm depth in goal was a washed out dude and our third stringer was a blue chip prospect. duh.
- ChrisMS

The Flyers wanted a veteran to hold down the 3rd spot. So in case of an injury on the Flyers they can bring up a guy with previous NHL experience and also not stunt a prospects growth by coming up to the big team and sitting on the bench for 5-10 straight games. Its really not that hard. If you want to keep trying to throw cheap jabs, we can go back and forth. Trust me i've got plenty of stuff and all you'll say id 1975.

I don't think we will see the top heavy penguins have any problems with their bottom 6 until/if a major player goes down. The penguins are going to score goals, its inevitable. But if Malkin, Crosby or Fluery go down hurt for a signifigantly long period of time, then they may be in some serious trouble.
- nurk

If all three get hurt for all year we may not win ten games. Point is you can 'what if' all day long if you want to.

ok maybe not a rebuild but how bout a retooling , maybe just accept a year or two on a retool. Do you really think at 30 that Crosby and Malkin will fall of a cliff offensively ?
- Bradlee3

Why? short of trading letang crosby malkin you have nothing to retool around. We should all be stoked that they are going for it every year.

The Flyers wanted a veteran to hold down the 3rd spot. So in case of an injury on the Flyers they can bring up a guy with previous NHL experience and also not stunt a prospects growth by coming up to the big team and sitting on the bench for 5-10 straight games. Its really not that hard. If you want to keep trying to throw cheap jabs, we can go back and forth. Trust me i've got plenty of stuff and all you'll say id 1975.
- nurk

I forgot about 1975.... good one! I prefer the Claude butt pinch.... but same same. just making a point about the percieved lack of organizational depth... pens aint the isles or florida... but they are doing ok.

And how do you know that St Louis didn't value Brouwer 10 times more than Sutter?
Have you ever seen the prospect that the Caps traded play? And you probably don't know how much St louis valued him as well.
- nurk

I think any team would be insane to actually value having Suckturd on the roster which is why I called it a "dream." Armstrong is a pretty terrible GM and I think he got hosed on this deal. Oshie in the last two seasons has 115 pts and Brouwer has 86. I can look the prospect up on Elite Prospects, ISS, Hockey's future, and Hockey Prospectus and see that he is just a throw in.

He was cleared over a month ago.
- jfkst1

ah that good for him.

I think any team would be insane to actually value having Suckturd on the roster which is why I called it a "dream." Armstrong is a pretty terrible GM and I think he got hosed on this deal. Oshie in the last two seasons has 115 pts and Brouwer has 86. I can look the prospect up on Elite Prospects, ISS, Hockey's future, and Hockey Prospectus and see that he is just a throw in.
- jfkst1

Tyler Johnson went undrafted. I'm sure there were points in his career where people said he was trash and wouldnt amount to anything. One GM saw something that he liked in him.

Why? short of trading letang crosby malkin you have nothing to retool around. We should all be stoked that they are going for it every year.
- ChrisMS

The problem is there is no point in going for it this year. Like the the flyers, the pens are not a cup contender as the rosters sit right now. Neither team is getting through tampa, rangers, Washington, and im sure Im forgetting a few teams in the east that have gotten better. Heck, Id watch out for the panthers this year as well as islanders. The pens have the two best players in the league but they cant win it themselves, otherwise you would have had many more cups already.

I think any team would be insane to actually value having Suckturd on the roster which is why I called it a "dream." Armstrong is a pretty terrible GM and I think he got hosed on this deal. Oshie in the last two seasons has 115 pts and Brouwer has 86. I can look the prospect up on Elite Prospects, ISS, Hockey's future, and Hockey Prospectus and see that he is just a throw in.
- jfkst1

Sutter with viable linemates may do fine... he is obvkiously not a top guy on a line but he can be valuable... analytics aside. I applaud the pens for not giving him away... better to wait and see how he does... use as chip at deadline if needs are elsewhere.

ok maybe not a rebuild but how bout a retooling , maybe just accept a year or two on a retool. Do you really think at 30 that Crosby and Malkin will fall of a cliff offensively ?

How old is Jagr now ...?
- Bradlee3

I think the problem is the are already to far down the road to do a Hawks style retool thanks to some of the choices Shero made. The guys that could have been drafted by the picks Sheeo traded away (or didn't make like Saad) are what you need to do that. The Pens have crossed the Rubicon and pushed all their chips forward that they can win another Cup or 2 in the next few years. Life after that point is going to suck for a while.

Of course, we all know that given their history, they will suck for just enough years to win the lottery again, draft a generational talent, and all will be right with the world by about 2025.

The problem is there is no point in going for it this year. Like the the flyers, the pens are not a cup contender as the rosters sit right now. Neither team is getting through tampa, rangers, Washington, and im sure Im forgetting a few teams in the east that have gotten better. Heck, Id watch out for the panthers this year as well as islanders. The pens have the two best players in the league but they cant win it themselves, otherwise you would have had many more cups already.
- jmdodgeser4

bologna.... the only reason they wernt contenders last year was health... and they are better this year... they stand toe to toe with any team in the league. Pens are currently in a different class entirely than the flyers... allthough... the flyers still seem to own them I wonder why that is.....

Sutter with viable linemates may do fine... he is obvkiously not a top guy on a line but he can be valuable... analytics aside. I applaud the pens for not giving him away... better to wait and see how he does... use as chip at deadline if needs are elsewhere.
- ChrisMS

No he isn't fine with better line mates. He completely blackholes his line mates. Which is a big reason why I hate him so much.

The problem is there is no point in going for it this year. Like the the flyers, the pens are not a cup contender as the rosters sit right now. Neither team is getting through tampa, rangers, Washington, and im sure Im forgetting a few teams in the east that have gotten better. Heck, Id watch out for the panthers this year as well as islanders. The pens have the two best players in the league but they cant win it themselves, otherwise you would have had many more cups already.
- jmdodgeser4

The penguins have improved since last year. They deserve to be mentioned in the upper echelon of teams in the eastern conference. But there are a lot of teams fighting this year. Saying there is no point going for it this year is a mistake. they have a limited 3-4 year window and need to go for it now

I think the problem is the are already to far down the road to do a Hawks style retool thanks to some of the choices Shero made. The guys that could have been drafted by the picks Sheeo traded away (or didn't make like Saad) are what you need to do that. The Pens have crossed the Rubicon and pushed all their chips forward that they can win another Cup or 2 in the next few years. Life after that point is going to suck for a while.

Of course, we all know that given their history, they will suck for just enough years to win the lottery again, draft a generational talent, and all will be right with the world by about 2025.
- Emperor Filonius

I see your point , I agree we are now past the point of no return , two yearsmaybe three , then a total decimation of team ? I can see that but you never know , a lot can change in two years.

I think the problem is the are already to far down the road to do a Hawks style retool thanks to some of the choices Shero made. The guys that could have been drafted by the picks Sheeo traded away (or didn't make like Saad) are what you need to do that. The Pens have crossed the Rubicon and pushed all their chips forward that they can win another Cup or 2 in the next few years. Life after that point is going to suck for a while.

Of course, we all know that given their history, they will suck for just enough years to win the lottery again, draft a generational talent, and all will be right with the world by about 2025.
- Emperor Filonius

dont forget we are in the position to win the cup every year because of shero as well... and there is no doubt that the mario--->Jagr--->crosby/Malkin will lead to ---> superstar down the line... its science.

It would be kinda fun to see murray in action up here. at least he would be more fun to watch than... labarbara? ouch
- ChrisMS

Yes, our ststem is horrid when it comes to goalies. Other then stoltz we had nothing. The organization fixed that this year by drafting 3 goalies in the early rounds. Our d prospects are about as deep as anybody elses if not near the top. Our forward group needs some help yet. But this a new direction for this club and I like it. We see we aren't going to win the cup this year and a kessel trade wouldn't put us in that spot either.

No he isn't fine with better line mates. He completely blackholes his line mates. Which is a big reason why I hate him so much.
- jfkst1

wow... hatred for a man you've never met. what linemates did he have that were quality players? when was he ever asked to not be the man on his line? only times I can think of was when a non-healthy malkin was getting essentially warmup reps as a left wing returning from injury. And that didnt look to bad

The problem is there is no point in going for it this year. Like the the flyers, the pens are not a cup contender as the rosters sit right now. Neither team is getting through tampa, rangers, Washington, and im sure Im forgetting a few teams in the east that have gotten better. Heck, Id watch out for the panthers this year as well as islanders. The pens have the two best players in the league but they cant win it themselves, otherwise you would have had many more cups already.
- jmdodgeser4

That's an evaluation is pretty rediculously narrow. Winning the cup is hard. You above all people as a Flyers fan would know this. The Pens took the Rangers to 6 games last year while their top 4 defensemen were all hurt. Theres work to be done filling out the bottom 6, but they will be fine.

if duper gets on the 1st line I WILL GO ON A RAMPAGE!!!!!!!!1

He has done nothing to deserve that... yes injuries arent his fault nor blood clots but c'mon.. are you seriously saying duper on first line?!?!?

I would see if horn can play LW and perron RW and swap those two.. maybe throw kuni on 2nd line with geno and plot on 3rd line to get use to NA hockey

The problem is there is no point in going for it this year. Like the the flyers, the pens are not a cup contender as the rosters sit right now. Neither team is getting through tampa, rangers, Washington, and im sure Im forgetting a few teams in the east that have gotten better. Heck, Id watch out for the panthers this year as well as islanders. The pens have the two best players in the league but they cant win it themselves, otherwise you would have had many more cups already.
- jmdodgeser4

Not sure Id throw Rangers in that conversation - their time has passed. Tampa for sure, Islanders, Caps, Wings, BJ's even although their D (like ours) is the question mark. To say we aren't in that group with 3 of the top NHL scorers is naive or biased. Our D is going to make or break a healthy line up, a line up that can now hopefully contend.

bologna.... the only reason they wernt contenders last year was health... and they are better this year... they stand toe to toe with any team in the league. Pens are currently in a different class entirely than the flyers... allthough... the flyers still seem to own them I wonder why that is.....
- ChrisMS

I don't know... the forward group and depth looks much better for sure but that defense doesn't scream Cup Contender to me. It relies on a lot of unproven players that have not yet played a full season in the NHL and our 2 main guys are serious question marks as far as health goes. A good, veteran, not too old dman would really round up our top4 quite nice but those come at a price...and unfortunately we don't have that spacer under the cap as of now.

Yes, our ststem is horrid when it comes to goalies. Other then stoltz we had nothing. The organization fixed that this year by drafting 3 goalies in the early rounds. Our d prospects are about as deep as anybody elses if not near the top. Our forward group needs some help yet. But this a new direction for this club and I like it. We see we aren't going to win the cup this year and a kessel trade wouldn't put us in that spot either.
- jmdodgeser4

good luck with that... its so pot luck with goalies... murray was a third rounder I think and he is a stud... lots of the superstars were late rounders, rinne, lunquist, quick, etc. probably was good they went with the numbers and got three... definately increases the odds

How are they going to fill out their roster this year? Especially next year with a very small increase again in the cap? This trade confuses me because the pens are no longer a threat in the east to come out of it because of the lack of depth. Shouldn't they be trying to retool and stock up the minors?
- jmdodgeser4

It's July 3. They aren't done getting depth. JR already has mentioned this.

It's July 3. They aren't done getting depth. JR already has mentioned this.
- acdc1206

adding a top 9 guy like tlusty and and bottom 6 guy like bergenhiem or fehr will bring a world of depth incase of injuries