I bet Nucker has attended more Canucks practices than Tortorella did.
- KB3Point0

For some reason my reply option isn't working.

Yes I do have a choice & that choice is to stop giving the Canucks any additional revenue over & above my season ticket costs for 2 seats & accepting that I can't currently expect to cover my season ticket costs each year from the revenue selling them has provided in the past.

Although I have made so much money from previous seasons attending 12 to 15 games a season, giving 10 to 12 away to clients & selling the big ticket games that I really shouldn't complain but being a fan & 30 + years as a season ticket holder I think like you I have a right to voice my opinion.

That being I don't like Benning. I like his moves to date with the exception of the Vrbata signing which in fairness was a major accomplishment, even less. The Bruins were my favorite team until the 3rd & final strike this season. 40 plus years. That being moving Thornton, Seguin & now Hamilton with out staging a full binding war & moving all 3 significantly under value; Benning was part of 1 of those decision & that may slight my opinion & he may have been opposed for all I know. Rumors are floating that decision was primarily made by Neeley. I cheered for the Canucks against Boston but sold almost all my tickets & watched the games at the Shark Club & on Georgia street. Those returns have covered the cost of my season tickets for the last 2 years.

He said Gilman looked "disgusted"
- Nucker101

You just went from quoting Gillman as saying he didnt want anything to do with those contracts to hearing second hand that he "looked disgusted".

You and the rest of the Benning haters can't find enough to fuel the hate so will fill the void with lies.

I am not a fan of being told what to say or what to think.

I whole heartedly agree that you need to squeeze some lemons to make lemonade . I am not sad to see them go, but it doesn't take away from the fact that they have made questionable signings mostly as of late.

I am glad Bieksa is gone and am hoping for deeper moves, but I wish Benning took the SJ second instead.
- VANTEL

It would be nice to pick deeper in the 2nd round but I also don't like seeing the Canucks taken advantage of by bumholes like Wilson and Burke. You get pushed around and just take it, they will continue to push and harder. The others think they can get away with it too. I thought you would support Benning pushing back. We don't even know where these teams are going to draft yet even.

Carol.

I get from reading your article that your crediting Benning with Horvat & Kenins? I know you can't be but it slants that way & imply's such. As I know your well aware, both were acquired by Benning's predecessor.

I'm a 30; 1981, plus year Canucks season ticket holder & not even remotely impressed with Benning's, signings; with the exception of Vrbata. When looking at UFA's a year ago he was the player I hoped they would target & a fabulous signing, trades & still to early to judge his draft record but he's moved out a ton of picks in his 1st 13 months on the job. A 2014 2nd; Vey, acquired from TB for Garrison; brutal trade. 2015 2nd; Baertschi, & 3rd; went to Anh in the Kesler trade, & 2016 2nd for Pedan from NYI. Hard to grade his draft results when he keeps moving his best picks. That doesn't bode well as few players drafted after the 2nd round so much as see a cup of coffee in the NHL. We need to give that time though.

Not a single trade made yet by Benning where I'm happy with the return for what was given up & I hate the Miller signing. I hated it then & hate it even more now. Sbisa? Thank god he hits & blocks shots because he's a train wreck & now a significantly over paid 1. As I watched him over commit & turn pucks over constantly against Calgary in the playoffs I was left shacking my head. People think Bieksa was bad. He had the misfortune to have to carry this liability. In 2 of games I watched against Calgary in the playoffs I tracked turn overs with a buddy. I had 9 he had 13. NHL.com had 1? You have to love subjective stats compiled by NHL officials that live in the market they work!

This last season, 2014-15 & 1/2 the prior 2013-14; 2nd 1/2 of the Torts season, was the worst scenario for moving my unused tickets in 25 years. I couldn't give all my tickets away to many games; people just had reasons to say no; shocking, & the $ collected on the games people wanted to see, the Pittsburgh's, Montreal's, etc of the world were sold at a significant discount to previous seasons.

This screams problems to me, as it shows apathy by fans towards the Canucks & it's going to get significantly worse before it gets better. I had hoped things would improve under Benning but so far it's quite ugly as to how this is shaping up moving forward. I hope I'm wrong. I can except a rebuild, retooling, transitioning what have you but asset management has been terrible. Benning hasn't maximized his assets well. In fact it's been brutal. He's moving assets at the wrong times to maximize there value & that's his job. Make a choice, are we rebuilding or not & if we are, which is obvious to all then move assets when their at their best value. That being the trade deadline in most instances.

Management didn't want to let go of playoff aspirations. Now we have a team that hasn't got a hope of making next seasons playoffs & may well be the 2nd worst team on paper in the Western conference & will be spending virtually to the cap. If you want to be bad, just be bad but don't make me pay huge money to watch, Burrows, Higgins, Hansen, Dorsett, Prust & Miller. Other than the Sedin's & Vrbata this may be the worst group of forwards in the NHL & Miller wasn't worth any where near 6 million per for 3 years.

Benning's accomplishments to date? In my opinion & unmitigated disaster so far.
- striker777

This team has to get a lot worse before it gets better and you are complaining and writing a novel because they didnt improve.

This team has to get a lot worse before it gets better and you are complaining and writing a novel because they didnt improve.
- boonerbuck

Listening to callers on 1040 today was so annoying.

Everyone wants change, Everyone wants to get younger.

So now were doing it and everyone starts pissing and moaning.

I get it, Sbisa's contract was terrible. But If we want to contend in the future this is the road we eventually had to go down.

Some people just need to step away from the ledge and calm the fukk down.

This team has to get a lot worse before it gets better and you are complaining and writing a novel because they didnt improve.
- boonerbuck

Probably Nucker's Dad.

Carol.

I get from reading your article that your crediting Benning with Horvat & Kenins? I know you can't be but it slants that way & imply's such. As I know your well aware, both were acquired by Benning's predecessor.

I'm a 30; 1981, plus year Canucks season ticket holder & not even remotely impressed with Benning's, signings; with the exception of Vrbata. When looking at UFA's a year ago he was the player I hoped they would target & a fabulous signing, trades & still to early to judge his draft record but he's moved out a ton of picks in his 1st 13 months on the job. A 2014 2nd; Vey, acquired from TB for Garrison; brutal trade. 2015 2nd; Baertschi, & 3rd; went to Anh in the Kesler trade, & 2016 2nd for Pedan from NYI. Hard to grade his draft results when he keeps moving his best picks. That doesn't bode well as few players drafted after the 2nd round so much as see a cup of coffee in the NHL. We need to give that time though.

Not a single trade made yet by Benning where I'm happy with the return for what was given up & I hate the Miller signing. I hated it then & hate it even more now. Sbisa? Thank god he hits & blocks shots because he's a train wreck & now a significantly over paid 1. As I watched him over commit & turn pucks over constantly against Calgary in the playoffs I was left shacking my head. People think Bieksa was bad. He had the misfortune to have to carry this liability. In 2 of games I watched against Calgary in the playoffs I tracked turn overs with a buddy. I had 9 he had 13. NHL.com had 1? You have to love subjective stats compiled by NHL officials that live in the market they work!

This last season, 2014-15 & 1/2 the prior 2013-14; 2nd 1/2 of the Torts season, was the worst scenario for moving my unused tickets in 25 years. I couldn't give all my tickets away to many games; people just had reasons to say no; shocking, & the $ collected on the games people wanted to see, the Pittsburgh's, Montreal's, etc of the world were sold at a significant discount to previous seasons.

This screams problems to me, as it shows apathy by fans towards the Canucks & it's going to get significantly worse before it gets better. I had hoped things would improve under Benning but so far it's quite ugly as to how this is shaping up moving forward. I hope I'm wrong. I can except a rebuild, retooling, transitioning what have you but asset management has been terrible. Benning hasn't maximized his assets well. In fact it's been brutal. He's moving assets at the wrong times to maximize there value & that's his job. Make a choice, are we rebuilding or not & if we are, which is obvious to all then move assets when their at their best value. That being the trade deadline in most instances.

Management didn't want to let go of playoff aspirations. Now we have a team that hasn't got a hope of making next seasons playoffs & may well be the 2nd worst team on paper in the Western conference & will be spending virtually to the cap. If you want to be bad, just be bad but don't make me pay huge money to watch, Burrows, Higgins, Hansen, Dorsett, Prust & Miller. Other than the Sedin's & Vrbata this may be the worst group of forwards in the NHL & Miller wasn't worth any where near 6 million per for 3 years.

Benning's accomplishments to date? In my opinion & unmitigated disaster so far.
- striker777

Nicely summed up

Listening to callers on 1040 today was so annoying.

Everyone wants change, Everyone wants to get younger.

So now were doing it and everyone starts pissing and moaning.

I get it, Sbisa's contract was terrible. But If we want to contend in the future this is the road we eventually had to go down.

Some people just need to step away from the ledge and calm the fukk down.
- vancity787

It's funny how change is difficult, I understand that, but come on. People are complaining about the Sbisa contract, which was signed months ago, because they're annoyed that Gilman, Hennning and Crawford got fired?

I don't know if Benning will be a good GM or not, but I do know you need to draft well in order to have a successful franchise. We won't know if he's done well or not for three or four years.

Folks are just pissed about the whole thing I guess? Vantel was even female doging and he was one of the biggest tank machines there was. Nucker had pictures of tanks all over the place. It's pathetic.

They're not going down the Oiler route where they just have a fire-sale and clean house with the players. It's going to be done over time, probably the next two years.

Probably Nucker's Dad.
- Marwood

Overall, I think the moves are in the write direction. As a general rule, I expect the 15/16 play of the acquired to be better than the 15/16 play of the departed as shown below.

When looking at those that remain from 13/14, I expect them to be generally a stronger group in 15/16 than they were in 13/14. Mind you, how could 13/14 been worse for Sedins and Edler. Regardless, the top 2 forwards and top 2 D should all have stronger years than 13/14, despite 3 of them being farther from their prime.

Acquired: Departed:
Bo Horvat < Ryan Kesler
Radim Vrbata > Zack Kassian
Nick Bonino = Mike Santorelli
Linden Vey < Brad Richardson
Ronalds Kenins > David Booth
Brandon Prust > Tom Sestito
Derek Dorsett = Shawn Matthias
Prospect > Zac Dalpe
Prospect > Jordan Schroeder

Luca Sbisa << Jason Garrison
Matt Bartkowski = Kevin Bieksa
Adam Clendening = Ryan Stanton

Ryan Miller =< Eddie Lack

15/16 13/14
older Henrik Sedin < Henrik Sedin
older Daniel Sedin < Daniel Sedin
Chris Higgins < Chris Higgins
Jannik Hansen < Jannik Hansen
Alex Burrows < Alex Burrows
Alex Edler > Alex Edler
Dan Hamhuis < Dan Hamhuis
Chris Tanev > Chris Tanev
Yannick Weber > Yannick Weber
Frank Corrado > Frank Corrado

Jacob Markstrom = Jacob Markstrom
- Lostinarink

ftfy

Listening to callers on 1040 today was so annoying.

Everyone wants change, Everyone wants to get younger.

So now were doing it and everyone starts pissing and moaning.

I get it, Sbisa's contract was terrible. But If we want to contend in the future this is the road we eventually had to go down.

Some people just need to step away from the ledge and calm the fukk down.
- vancity787

NO
I want these little poopheads to jump, they were never Canuck fans, I'm feed up with their crap, these little asshats have made me angry today and I'm not that kind of guy. Opinions are one thing but do these people actually think that this team was in a position to compete with the teams in the west if we got a 2015 2nd for Bieksa instead of a 2016 2nd and we paid Sbisa 1.5 mil less.

Give your (frank)ing heads a shake

Listening to callers on 1040 today was so annoying.

Everyone wants change, Everyone wants to get younger.

So now were doing it and everyone starts pissing and moaning.

I get it, Sbisa's contract was terrible. But If we want to contend in the future this is the road we eventually had to go down.

Some people just need to step away from the ledge and calm the fukk down.
- vancity787

Yeah lots of the regular posters are on the ledge. Everyone wants change but when it happens they are all like Lindens an idiot, Benning is an idiot. Why did we fire Gilman and Crawford they were are great. We should have got more return for him. He is over paid. Wah wah wah. I get sick of the arm chair GM's pi$$ing and moaning over every move.

Everyone is over analyzing every move. Probably why the analytics guys Gilly and crow got dumped. Numbers are a big part of the game but they don't give team chemistry. Something to be said for good old scouting and finding character players.
IE Prust

Misery loves company....it seems it's easy to pile on once the chips are down. For the record I don't like the Sbisa contract either, I don't know why they didn't just qualify him at 3 million for one year and see what they've got....dumb!!

Misery loves company....it seems it's easy to pile on once the chips are down. For the record I don't like the Sbisa contract either, I don't know why they didn't just qualify him at 3 million for one year and see what they've got....dumb!!
- LeftCoaster

yup, that is a strange one. Why give that extension - it wasnt even time pressing. Seemed so random... What they did with weber was smart though! Didnt QO him and got him for a much less value.

yup, that is a strange one. Why give that extension - it wasnt even time pressing. Seemed so random... What they did with weber was smart though! Didnt QO him and got him for a much less value.
- anavar

So it all balances out, to bad so many are off their meds.

I love that they're going to tank, but its an unintentional tank which means the team isn't exactly run by the best in the business.

Benning is better suited to be a head scout, assistant GM. Linden just fired one of our competent scouts and kept one of our worst. These guys think Sbisa is worth 3.6M. I'm guessing the guys fired didn't see eye-to-eye with some of the recent decisions made so now they're gone.




I'm afraid.
- Nucker101

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I'm certain now that if Gillman had been given the reins after Gillis was fired, we be in better shape than we are right now. What a frankin joke….

yup, that is a strange one. Why give that extension - it wasnt even time pressing. Seemed so random... What they did with weber was smart though! Didnt QO him and got him for a much less value.
- anavar

Benning is going to make mistakes, most people in a new position do, hopefully he gets better at the things he's deficient at.

If he knocks it out of the park with drafting it'll go a long way to making people forget about his mistakes.

The sad part is, the pathetics will come running back if the team gets good four or five years from now. I'll be telling them to go (frank) themselves, but they'll be coming back.

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I'm certain now that if Gillman had been given the reins after Gillis was fired, we be in better shape than we are right now. What a frankin joke….
- Jim_Robson

Misery loves company....it seems it's easy to pile on once the chips are down. For the record I don't like the Sbisa contract either, I don't know why they didn't just qualify him at 3 million for one year and see what they've got....dumb!!
- LeftCoaster

Or pull a Weber and not qualify him and then sign him after July 1st.

Reading through the pages today, I can't believe how some posters are so opposed to the idea that some of these moves being made are bad.

Some people here seem to think that disagreeing with these moves makes you a whiny child, band wagon jumper, lier and on and on. The ones acting childish imo are the ones who cannot read criticism without resorting to belittling those authors.......

We all knew Benning had to make some moves and I don't think anyone is criticizing the fact that kassian, bieksa, lack, Garrison, kesler etc are gone but that the return was below market value.

Same that yes he needed to acquire a vet goalie, toughness and d depth but again paid higher than other teams have.

Regardless of what the returns were, this team going to get worse, I think everyone agrees, but that doesn't mean some of the moves Benning has made are not bad.

Im still willing to wait a few years before deciding whether Benning is a competent GM but imo I have seen more bad then good, of course I saw the opposite with Gillis's first few years and the last few were much worse, so I will be taking the long view.

Misery loves company....it seems it's easy to pile on once the chips are down. For the record I don't like the Sbisa contract either, I don't know why they didn't just qualify him at 3 million for one year and see what they've got....dumb!!
- LeftCoaster

I don't think anyone likes the Sbisa deal but it is what it is.

Misery loves company....it seems it's easy to pile on once the chips are down. For the record I don't like the Sbisa contract either, I don't know why they didn't just qualify him at 3 million for one year and see what they've got....dumb!!
- LeftCoaster

I honestly think it's cuz he came I'm and saw what an old disaster our defense was and looked at the Ufa class the next few years and wanted to lock up a defenceman in that age category.. Easy to say it's a horrible contract and everything but all the pipe dreams I've read are other people's players we can't get cuz we don't have the assets

Benning is going to make mistakes, most people in a new position do, hopefully he gets better at the things he's deficient at.

If he knocks it out of the park with drafting it'll go a long way to making people forget about his mistakes.

The sad part is, the pathetics will come running back if the team gets good four or five years from now. I'll be telling them to go (frank) themselves, but they'll be coming back.
- LeftCoaster

They'll get arrested at the next riot.