That's the plan. Next Kyle Dumbass...btw I'd take TOR's front office over ours easily.
- Nucker101

Sorry it was too shiney to avoid

You have to take into account the fact that we're up against the cap and the crop of UFAs is at best milquetoast. Most teams are going to sign the players they've targeted as 'core' through most of their primes long-term. Since 3 successive regimes (Burke, Nonis, Gillis) gutted our prospect depth and several years of being contenders has made us draft in the bottom half of the 1st round and the massive amount of NTCs we carry on players who's best years are long behind them means the type of things that scare you are all we can count on at this point.

I don't see any warning signs because I don't see this team as being able to realistically pull out of spinning their wheels for another 3 years at least once the Sedins retire and Horvat/Virtanen/McCann/Cassels/Boeser etc hit their primes. Incidentally, that's when Benning/WD's contracts are up as well, which is why I say that I don't worry about the moves he's making because I don't see him getting resigned. He's a transitional GM who's getting his first kick as the head guy in order to learn what it takes and get the team to a position where a more experienced GM can take it over the top.
- DariusKnight

Oh now we're back to lying, only Canuck management lie. I'm also very sure Aquilini put in his 2 cents and it's his (frank)ing team.

Your female doging is becoming very old, get another hobby this one will shorten your life.
- A_SteamingLombardi

The Canucks are a treadmill franchise.

The Canucks are a treadmill franchise.
- Nucker101

The Flames are waiting for you.

If you believe that all the trades and contract signings are 100% Benning then I don't know what to say. What if you were to find out that Gilman or Crawford were pushing hard for Sbisa's new deal?
- 1970vintage

Gillis brought Gilman in..Gillis was pretty obsessed with analytics. Nearly every signing made by Gillis/Gilman had some rationale to it.

Then over the last year we've had some really questionable contracts and now Gilman's been fired...I don't think it's a coincidence. His role was being reduced and now he's gone all together.

The Flames are waiting for you.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Thankfully, yes.

I love that they're going to tank, but its an unintentional tank which means the team isn't exactly run by the best in the business.

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- Nucker101

If anything JB has said is true, this will be as close to a tank as we will get and maybe nobody will be happy.

I believe JB said it before training camp last season and has repeated it often. If prospects, like Grenier, Shink, or Virtanen, make the team out of training camp, he will make room for them on the roster. I am not sure how this will really play out.

I'm not thinking Kassian will be missed a lot, he wasn't in the lineup much last season,. Bieksa, we survived when he wasn't in the lineup too. We'll miss Richardson and Matthias, maybe someone else chips in.

If Miller gets hurt, we may be in trouble or win the lottery.

Another fringe playoff team at first glance.

Damn their youth camp is 15 minutes north of me and I'm not home. Love to see some of these kids in person. A lot easier to have a look at their personal skill levels when you see them live.

Linden/Benning have lied publicly before. I highly doubt he did this without getting his own GM's two cents. If you guys truly believe that this is 100% Linden then I don't know what to say.
- Nucker101

Absolutely its not. Its about a divide office. Show of strength and gaining respect in the process.

My GM told me a story about when our president took over the company from his father. The VP thought he should be Pres and did everything in his power to countermand anything the new president did said ect. He tried to divide the company and make him look weak. My boss who people started to think was weak and unable to make the tough decision went home for the weekend. On a Sunday afternoon he drove to the main branch office and called a board of directors meeting(on a sunday when everyone was off for the weekend). As soon as everyone arrived and was seated he stood up and fired the VP on the spot. Security was waiting for him with boxes and escorted him out of the building. Not one of the board of directors said a word. Problem solved.

Damn their youth camp is 15 minutes north of me and I'm not home. Love to see some of these kids in person. A lot easier to have a look at their personal skill levels when you see them live.
- LeftCoaster

live in mill bay?

I'm not saying it won't be a gong show, I think there was too much heated discussion behind Canucks closed doors ( much like there is here) about how things should be done. Here arguing is a day in the life of HB. In a professional sports team it is unacceptable.

I question a lot of Bennings deals, but he is cleaning house and I am very happy for that.
- VANTEL[/quote]
Finally I have been waiting to see this from you.

Gillis brought Gilman in..Gillis was pretty obsessed with analytics. Nearly every signing made by Gillis/Gilman had some rationale to it.

Then over the last year we've had some really questionable contracts and now Gilman's been fired...I don't think it's a coincidence. His role was being reduced and now he's gone all together.
- Nucker101

This is where I have to question you on analytics, we saw how 'moneyball' worked, it gave us Kyle Wellwood, David Booth, Marco Sturm. Outside of Chris Tanev and Malhotra (who I wish never got hit in the eye with that puck) and perhaps Samuelsson, what makes Benning's contracts so questionable? None of them are longer than 3 years save for Tanev who is unquestionably our #2 new core D and aren't stamped with full NTCs.

live in mill bay?
- anavar

Langford....I just drive fast

Absolutely its not. Its about a divide office. Show of strength and gaining respect in the process.

My GM told me a story about when our president took over the company from his father. The VP thought he should be Pres and did everything in his power to countermand anything the new president did said ect. He tried to divide the company and make him look weak. My boss who people started to think was weak and unable to make the tough decision went home for the weekend. On a Sunday afternoon he drove to the main branch office and called a board of directors meeting(on a sunday when everyone was off for the weekend). As soon as everyone arrived and was seated he stood up and fired the VP on the spot. Security was waiting for him with boxes and escorted him out of the building. Not one of the board of directors said a word. Problem solved.
- thundachunk

Who's the BOSS???????

Langford....I just drive fast
- LeftCoaster

haha that you do, pops lives in mill bay so I was curious.

Nucker are you just angry because you have Henning and Gillman posters on your walls?

Who's the BOSS???????
- A_SteamingLombardi

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Absolutely its not. Its about a divide office. Show of strength and gaining respect in the process.

My GM told me a story about when our president took over the company from his father. The VP thought he should be Pres and did everything in his power to countermand anything the new president did said ect. He tried to divide the company and make him look weak. My boss who people started to think was weak and unable to make the tough decision went home for the weekend. On a Sunday afternoon he drove to the main branch office and called a board of directors meeting(on a sunday when everyone was off for the weekend). As soon as everyone arrived and was seated he stood up and fired the VP on the spot. Security was waiting for him with boxes and escorted him out of the building. Not one of the board of directors said a word. Problem solved.
- thundachunk

Managing people is harder than managing your actual technical profession. At one point I had over 200 people working for me, your stress level is so high due to having to deal with everyone's opinions because everyone thinks they're right. You essentially become a human resources manager as your time fully becomes about managing people.

If Trevor felt is was best to streamline the process, I fully understand what he's doing.

Gillis brought Gilman in..Gillis was pretty obsessed with analytics. Nearly every signing made by Gillis/Gilman had some rationale to it.

Then over the last year we've had some really questionable contracts and now Gilman's been fired...I don't think it's a coincidence. His role was being reduced and now he's gone all together.
- Nucker101

Maybe it's because the way Gillis/Gilman "read" the analytics was so poopty? It's not like any of the moves that they made in the last several years worked out well, the whole "over ager" thing hasn't really panned out...

Nucker are you just angry because you have Henning and Gillman posters on your walls?
- A_SteamingLombardi

i think it's a matter of perspective.

i can see where nucker is coming from though. what some people see as a strength of benning's, can also be viewed as a red flag.

if nothing else, benning's not a guy to marinate and agonize over a decision. he makes up his mind and never looks back. if you go back to the bruins war room video when they traded seguin, you will see this in action. while others were hemming and hawing about trading the kid, benning was the one who seemed most at peace with the decision. his mind was made up and there was no point in discussing it further. he seems to be a crap or get off the pot type of gent.

this seems diametrically opposite to gillis' approach of tortured introspection.

obviously gillis found people who thought like him and benning probably believed that this type of evaluation is tedious at best and tortured navel gazing at worst. it simply is not conducive to his style of management.

like i said, it's a matter of perspective. some like the sure thinking and quick acting while others may see this as a red flag.

however, we won't know for a few years until this all plays out. that is why we can argue about this stuff (hooray for the internet making our opinions seem like they matter.)

but nucker pointing out that he's seeing some red flags does not make him any less of a fan of the organization.

We have been trying to find that Russian diamond in the rough, ever since Pavel.

Fedorov, nope.

Chubarov, nope.

Shirokov, nope.

Is Dmitry Zhukenov gonna make it in this league?
- moondawg

What about the Russian D Man... Karvalegov?

I want the mofo on our team.

Managing people is harder than managing your actual technical profession. At one point I had over 200 people working for me, your stress level is so high due to having to deal with everyone's opinions because everyone thinks they're right. You essentially become a human resources manager as your time fully becomes about managing people.

If Trevor felt is was best to streamline the process, I fully understand what he's doing.
- LeftCoaster

Absolutely. Managing people is the most thankless and stressful job.

Thankfully, yes.
- Nucker101

Oh Jebus here we go again.

Absolutely. Managing people is the most thankless and stressful job.
- thundachunk

Two days ago one of the Project Managers and the Lead Engineers asked me to look at something, they sent me an email attachment with a "serious problem".

I read it over, they actually wanted to re-grade a proposed facility because they felt the Operations people couldn't properly reach equipment....I was just astonished, shocked that professional people can be so stupid.

I was thinking they must be relatives of Nuckers because they're seriously overthinking things.

Managing people is harder than managing your actual technical profession. At one point I had over 200 people working for me, your stress level is so high due to having to deal with everyone's opinions because everyone thinks they're right. You essentially become a human resources manager as your time fully becomes about managing people.

If Trevor felt is was best to streamline the process, I fully understand what he's doing.
- LeftCoaster

I get what you are saying, but I also like to have at least some form of checks and balances in the management structure. Healthy internal debate can lead to better decisions IMO. If all Linden and Benning want are a bunch of yes-men because they don't like having their decisions questioned/have problems backing up their positions, then it is a bit worrisome. Who knows if that is actually why they were fired though...