I think, in Edmonton's case anyways, it had more to do with Kevin Lowe having the hockey IQ of a hotdog moreso than it had anything to do with him being an ex-Oiler.


I love hotdogs BTW, some of the best times in my life right now, are when my dad and I go out for a hotdog and just chat about life....he loves hotdogs too.


- LeftCoaster

Not to mention the Katz treating the Oilers like a tax shelter rather than a winning franchise.

I think, in Edmonton's case anyways, it had more to do with Kevin Lowe having the hockey IQ of a hotdog moreso than it had anything to do with him being an ex-Oiler.


I love hotdogs BTW, some of the best times in my life right now, are when my dad and I go out for a hotdog and just chat about life....he loves hotdogs too.


- LeftCoaster

Do you know what kinds of foods are shaped like D!ck$?

THE BEST KINDS!

Some people realize that this team was going down hill now matter who is in charge.... some people think it's all the GM's fault
- Mungo

It's a transition we all knew was coming, it's arrived and doesn't sit well with some. I have no false hope or expectations for at least the next 3 years. I still stand behind my comment JB needs to be better at negotiating and stop making excuses. Jury is still out on that one.

I like to think Linden and Benning are a lot smarter than Lowe and that brain trust. Ron Delorme, well he had some good years as scout and a had a black ball era with Gillis. I can imagine he would be pretty frustrated with those years.

Being that he still has a job I would say he is a team player and works hard at his job. Good leaders take the good and the bad with employees and I am sure they respect his consult. Truly he had some good years.
- thundachunk

Delorme kept his job b/c he's an alumni, book it.

I think, in Edmonton's case anyways, it had more to do with Kevin Lowe having the hockey IQ of a hotdog moreso than it had anything to do with him being an ex-Oiler.


I love hotdogs BTW, some of the best times in my life right now, are when my dad and I go out for a hotdog and just chat about life....he loves hotdogs too.


- LeftCoaster

Edmonton definitely didnt have the quality of veterans that Van has to ease through a quicker rebuild. They traded Smyth away and tanked hard and had no one to mentor Eberle, Hall and RNH into the NHL, just baptism by fire. Canucks are stripping it down but will transition their rookies in under solid guidance from character guys, ie Sedins, Hamhuis, (and in Bennings opinion) Dorsett and Prust. Detroit has done it this way, Boston did it this way, even LA has done it.

Do you know what kinds of foods are shaped like D!ck$?

THE BEST KINDS!
- rugdnit

Do you know what kinds of foods are shaped like D!ck$?

THE BEST KINDS!
- rugdnit

Johnsonville smokies with cheddar are (frank)ing awesome.

Do you know what kinds of foods are shaped like D!ck$?

THE BEST KINDS!
- rugdnit

Looks like its going to be a Superbad kinda night.

Johnsonville smokies with cheddar are (frank)ing awesome.
- VanHockeyGuy

I watched how its made Weiner edition. Ever since then I havent touched a hot dog or smokie.

I was on the verge of vomiting. And thats not an exageration.

I watched how its made Weiner edition. Ever since then I havent touched a hot dog or smokie.

I was on the verge of vomiting. And thats not an exageration.
- vancity787

I have been to a slaughter house. I prefer killing my own food now. Much more humane. I know where my food comes from. I get steaks they come from the same cow. Even hot dogs I get local none of the mass produced crap.

The only time a team should be signing "high-end" UFA's is when they established a core, like Chicago did when they had Toews, Kane, Seabrook and Keith in place. They then signed Hossa and traded for Sharp. But the initial key was to draft a core of players, that's what the Canucks need to do.
- LeftCoaster

If UFA signings can be moved at TDL then it makes sense even as a rebuilding team. Signing overpriced UFA's that can't be traded is another (Miller
)

If UFA signings can be moved at TDL then it makes sense even as a rebuilding team. Signing overpriced UFA's that can't be traded is another (Miller
)
- SMP8719

MIller was not a bad deal.

MIller was not a bad deal.
- thundachunk

He only wanted to play out west... that left only a small amount of teams.... unless one of the california teams was making an offer it was a bad deal. 1 year too long and 1 Million too much. Getting the extra yr should have brought the average down at least.

If UFA signings can be moved at TDL then it makes sense even as a rebuilding team. Signing overpriced UFA's that can't be traded is another (Miller
)
- SMP8719

Just remember, Lu's contract was untradeable. Some on here over estimated what he was worth and everyone outside of these threads said he was untradeable.

Miller may yet be traded. Might be the last year of his contract at tdl, but it still may happen.

Lots of change is coming, lots of expiring contracts.

I agree about trading ufa's, I hope we get something good for Vrbata and Prust.

It was disappointing we didn't move Matthias or Richardson at last tdl, at least we didn't trade them and a pick away for a slightly better rental... something that we would have seen in the past.

I love it when people speak in facts.

These are facts:

1. You are not involved with mgt and being around these players everyday.

2. Selling high on losers is really difficult. There are 29 other GMs trying to bury your team.

3. Getting value for players in the Cap Era is much harder.

4. Getting value in a sellers market is also much harder. There are other GMs that have mistakes to deal with.

5. What Benning has done needed to be done in 2012. You want someone to blame? Blame FA and Gillis. The pieces of this team had more value then. Failing to recognize and assess where this team was really at has delayed the inevitable.

6. I called it out last year on this forum that the Canucks would get crushed if they even made the playoffs because our D Core is God awful. What's even funnier is that a team that isn't considered a heavyweight in the league handed them their arses.

7. Catering to whiny fans has never brought success.

8. The next 3-5 years are going to be difficult. The only real way to rebuild this team is through the draft. The best players are rarely available via trade or free agency.

9. We don't have to welcome you back when they turn things around.

10. JB and TL don't care about your GM skills.








- rugdnit

Beautiful post.

I hope Vrbata has another decent season so we can grab a 1st at the deadline

Just remember, Lu's contract was untradeable. Some on here over estimated what he was worth and everyone outside of these threads said he was untradeable.

Miller may yet be traded. Might be the last year of his contract at tdl, but it still may happen.

Lots of change is coming, lots of expiring contracts.

I agree about trading ufa's, I hope we get something good for Vrbata and Prust.

It was disappointing we didn't move Matthias or Richardson at last tdl, at least we didn't trade them and a pick away for a slightly better rental... something that we would have seen in the past.
- hillbillydeluxe

It would be nice if we even got a 3rd rounder for Miller at the TDL in his final season that will all depend on his play on a young team.
I was also disappointed that we didn't get anything for our UFA's. Teams need the extra draft pics to rebuild, hanging on to veteran UFA's at the TDL that aren't going to be resigned is kind of stupid unless you believe the are integral to a possible cup run..... that was far from the case last year.

I hope Vrbata has another decent season so we can grab a 1st at the deadline
- The_Kuze

Or before, why not?

I have been to a slaughter house. I prefer killing my own food now. Much more humane. I know where my food comes from. I get steaks they come from the same cow. Even hot dogs I get local none of the mass produced crap.
- thundachunk

Old time butchers are meat gods, and full of valuable yummy information.

It would be nice if we even got a 3rd rounder for Miller at the TDL in his final season that will all depend on his play on a young team.
I was also disappointed that we didn't get anything for our UFA's. Teams need the extra draft pics to rebuild, hanging on to veteran UFA's at the TDL that aren't going to be resigned is kind of stupid unless you believe the are integral to a possible cup run..... that was far from the case last year.
- SMP8719

I wasn't happy that neither Matthias or Richardson was moved, I think Richardson may have been injured just before the tdl, not sure if that had any impact on any deal.

But like I was trying to say, at least JB didn't go out and do a Derek Roy sort of trade. I think moving either for picks or prospects would have been the right move, but the whole making the playoffs as a goal, and go from there, meant they weren't going anywhere.

I guess it is the magic of the playoffs, if you make the playoffs, anything can happen. While we all knew, it was unlikely much was going to happen. Another year out in the first round, at least we won a couple games.

Beautiful post.


- A_SteamingLombardi

Yep.

The only thing I question in that post is

"10. JB and TL don't care about your GM skills."

Don't they read HB and take all our recommendations under advisement?

We aren't just blowing off steam and wasting our time here right? right?

If that's truly the case, and we'll find out as soon as we learn who the replacements are. We will be the Oilers 2.0, man I hope I'm wrong on this.
- VanHockeyGuy

We are Flames 2.0...not EDM

Old time butchers are meat gods, and full of valuable yummy information.
- A_SteamingLombardi

I went into my butcher the other day asked him for a flank steak he went and cut me a fresh one off the slab.

I think our future looks pretty bright.

Anyone sign Mathias? Richardson? Not yet. I don't mind them leaving through UFA. It happens all the time.

Not to mention the Katz treating the Oilers like a tax shelter rather than a winning franchise.
- DariusKnight

Very true but that mentality will change. In the advent of a 500mil+ Arena and the tax base in EDM results are needed now. In Central Alberta circles around here I have heard the league is not happy with how Katz/lowe have handled the team over the past 6 years or so. Big shock. And they have been told by the powers that be to get their collective s**t together..and soon.