Stamkos will be locked up for sure. Unless you talk to any Leaf fan then he is going to Toronto.
- thundachunk

I doubt he leaves Tampa too, but I'm hoping he tests Free Agency.

Ultimately there is one guy making the decision. From the sound and look of things right now Benning is. Boeser was who he targeted from the Beginning. The old regime would look at numbers debate back and forth for weeks about useless crap. I like the decisive way Benning handles things. I like that he talks with the media straight up. A good Gm listens and takes whatever info he can from his employees but in the end it remains his choice. Clearly Gillis's choice were way off the board.
- thundachunk

Benning is clearly targeting players who can shoot the puck. Our team doesn't have a guy that can score from distance. I love these guys, but they all have muffin shots (sedins, Burrows, Tanev, etc)

I think if people look around the league, lots of teams have former players on their management teams, that said, I don't mind having alumni as long as they're intelligent. That's the real issue.
- LeftCoaster

I'm thinking Naslund is the newest member of the "Ol Boy's Club".

boonerbuck

I'm not complaining that they didn't get better in fact just the opposite. Remove the Canucks blinders & look at the facts. I provided them in my novel. I don't just spit out opinions with out facts. How you got your impession is beyond me.

I don't like a single trade made by Benning. The players he moved he didn't get fair market value for. The players he acquired he over paid for & with the exception of the Vrbata deal I like his UFA. RFA or other contract signings even less. All of them. If your going to rebuild this straddling the fence is terrible. What's worse is we have acquired virtually nothing since Benning took over to help the rebuild. As stated it's way to early to judge his draft history he has only had 2 draftes but considering he's given up every 2nd & 3rd for questionable prospects, suspects really I have concerns.

Be bad, start a proper rebuild. Maximum value for a player in picks is almost always acquired at the trade deadline, next is when a team has sustained a serious injury during the season.

What was the rush to move Lack & Beiksa? The season didn't start for 3 months. TB got a 3rd for Eric Brewer last season. Winnik moved for a 2nd & 4th. I could go on & on. Anaheim's 2nd for Bieksa will be bottom 5 ick in that round. The chances either player drafted with the picks acquired for Lack or Bieksa in the NHL is under 10%. Moving 2 top 4 Dman on reasonable contracts for 2nd round picks only in Bieksa & Garrison was horrible asset management.

My novel addressed asset management & the terrible path choosen to rebuilding. This transition nonsense. Yeah were transitioning alright, transitioning into mediocrity & the again it's all about timing & choice. I don't like what they have done. Just be bad, get better a better draft position & manage your assets properly.
- striker777

I love it when people speak in facts.

These are facts:

1. You are not involved with mgt and being around these players everyday.

2. Selling high on losers is really difficult. There are 29 other GMs trying to bury your team.

3. Getting value for players in the Cap Era is much harder.

4. Getting value in a sellers market is also much harder. There are other GMs that have mistakes to deal with.

5. What Benning has done needed to be done in 2012. You want someone to blame? Blame FA and Gillis. The pieces of this team had more value then. Failing to recognize and assess where this team was really at has delayed the inevitable.

6. I called it out last year on this forum that the Canucks would get crushed if they even made the playoffs because our D Core is God awful. What's even funnier is that a team that isn't considered a heavyweight in the league handed them their arses.

7. Catering to whiny fans has never brought success.

8. The next 3-5 years are going to be difficult. The only real way to rebuild this team is through the draft. The best players are rarely available via trade or free agency.

9. We don't have to welcome you back when they turn things around.

10. JB and TL don't care about your GM skills.

You overpay for free agents, we need to develop and make smart hockey trades. If a UFA really want's to come to VAN (why would he?) at a fair price fine. One thing we know is Benning doesn't overpay.
- VanHockeyGuy

The only time a team should be signing "high-end" UFA's is when they established a core, like Chicago did when they had Toews, Kane, Seabrook and Keith in place. They then signed Hossa and traded for Sharp. But the initial key was to draft a core of players, that's what the Canucks need to do.

I'm thinking Naslund is the newest member of the "Ol Boy's Club".
- VanHockeyGuy

Did he step down from GM of Modo?

Did he step down from GM of Modo?
- thundachunk

he did the previous year... been out of work for a year now I think

You overpay for free agents, we need to develop and make smart hockey trades. If a UFA really want's to come to VAN (why would he?) at a fair price fine. One thing we know is Benning doesn't overpay.
- VanHockeyGuy

Honestly, with 17-22 mill in cap space, and young wingers like Gaunce, Virtanen, Shink, Grenier, and Baertschi in the system, we can afford to over pay for the Sedins eventual replacement(s). If most of these guys make the 2016 team, their ELC's will expire in concert with the Sedins contract.

I'm thinking Naslund is the newest member of the "Ol Boy's Club".
- VanHockeyGuy

Yesterday Linden said they have no plans to hire anyone else, they're going to spread the responsibilities of the fired guys with the people they current have. The point was to streamline the process of decision making not convolute it again with different people.

I love it when people speak in facts.

These are facts:

1. You are not involved with mgt and being around these players everyday.

2. Selling high on losers is really difficult. There are 29 other GMs trying to bury your team.

3. Getting value for players in the Cap Era is much harder.

4. Getting value in a sellers market is also much harder. There are other GMs that have mistakes to deal with.

5. What Benning has done needed to be done in 2012. You want someone to blame? Blame FA and Gillis. The pieces of this team had more value then. Failing to recognize and assess where this team was really at has delayed the inevitable.

6. I called it out last year on this forum that the Canucks would get crushed if they even made the playoffs because our D Core is God awful. What's even funnier is that a team that isn't considered a heavyweight in the league handed them their arses.

7. Catering to whiny fans has never brought success.

8. The next 3-5 years are going to be difficult. The only real way to rebuild this team is through the draft. The best players are rarely available via trade or free agency.

9. We don't have to welcome you back when they turn things around.

10. JB and TL don't care about your GM skills.








- rugdnit

You need them first!

Honestly, with 17-22 mill in cap space, and young wingers like Gaunce, Virtanen, Shink, Grenier, and Baertschi in the system, we can afford to over pay for the Sedins eventual replacement(s). If most of these guys make the 2016 team, their ELC's will expire in concert with the Sedins contract.
- Gullzy

we could rebuild our D pretty quick if any of these guys are still UFA next year

Seabrook
Yandle
Buff
Goligoski
Coburn
Giordano
E. Johnson

Yesterday Linden said they have no plans to hire anyone else, they're going to spread the responsibilities of the fired guys with the people they current have. The point was to streamline the process of decision making not convolute it again with different people.
- LeftCoaster

This whole league is an ole boy's club. Do you ever see it changing?

Yesterday Linden said they have no plans to hire anyone else, they're going to spread the responsibilities of the fired guys with the people they current have. The point was to streamline the process of decision making not convolute it again with different people.
- LeftCoaster

The new assistant GM's will be Gino & Ohlund.

we could rebuild our D pretty quick if any of these guys are still UFA next year

Seabrook
Yandle
Buff
Goligoski
Coburn
Giordano
E. Johnson
- Mungo

This is going to be an all time low of a year on this thread.


Everyones turning on eachother

When do we declare war?

we could rebuild our D pretty quick if any of these guys are still UFA next year

Seabrook
Yandle
Buff
Goligoski
Coburn
Giordano
E. Johnson
- Mungo

Let's hope a couple of them wiggle through.

This is going to be an all time low of a year on this thread.


Everyones turning on eachother

When do we declare war?
- vancity787

Not all of us are on a rampage. I think since Benning took over this group has been divided on certain issues.

This whole league is an ole boy's club. Do you ever see it changing?
- thundachunk

I was referring to the dysfunctional culture it can develop like it did in EDM for over a decade. That team was messed up with the "I have more Stanley Cup rings than you mentality". This could easily happen in VAN, remember TL & JB are both relatively green. Is Ron Delorme our new uber scout? If he is we are in big trouble. As it stands today there is no real management experience on the team, and it shows.

This is going to be an all time low of a year on this thread.


Everyones turning on eachother

When do we declare war?
- vancity787

stfu

Not all of us are on a rampage. I think since Benning took over this group has been divided on certain issues.
- thundachunk

Some people realize that this team was going down hill now matter who is in charge.... some people think it's all the GM's fault

The new assistant GM's will be Gino & Ohlund.
- VanHockeyGuy

As I said yesterday, sounds like Jonathan Wall is getting a majority of the work. Weisbrod will probably get a bunch too?

You need them first!
- VanHockeyGuy

You're right , but then if I do that I don't get to drag him through the mud.... I mean facts.

I was referring to the dysfunctional culture it can develop like it did in EDM for over a decade. That team was messed up with the "I have more Stanley Cup rings than you mentality". This could easily happen in VAN, remember TL & JB are both relatively green. Is Ron Delorme our new uber scout? If he is we are in big trouble. As it stands today there is no real management experience on the team, and it shows.
- VanHockeyGuy

I think, in Edmonton's case anyways, it had more to do with Kevin Lowe having the hockey IQ of a hotdog moreso than it had anything to do with him being an ex-Oiler.


I love hotdogs BTW, some of the best times in my life right now, are when my dad and I go out for a hotdog and just chat about life....he loves hotdogs too.

stfu
- VanHockeyGuy

Make me bytch

I was referring to the dysfunctional culture it can develop like it did in EDM for over a decade. That team was messed up with the "I have more Stanley Cup rings than you mentality". This could easily happen in VAN, remember TL & JB are both relatively green. Is Ron Delorme our new uber scout? If he is we are in big trouble. As it stands today there is no real management experience on the team, and it shows.
- VanHockeyGuy

I like to think Linden and Benning are a lot smarter than Lowe and that brain trust. Ron Delorme, well he had some good years as scout and a had a black ball era with Gillis. I can imagine he would be pretty frustrated with those years.

Being that he still has a job I would say he is a team player and works hard at his job. Good leaders take the good and the bad with employees and I am sure they respect his consult. Truly he had some good years.