So who are we taking with the number 4 pick next June?
- boonerbuck

What do you mean I thought we were picking 30th?

It's really hard to negotiate from a position of weakness.

It's really hard to find takers for a bunch of losers.

Like... Really Hard.


- rugdnit

Let the cards fall where they may then.

Agreed. MG that numb skull have up on speed and skill after 2011 and decided to go back to it the summer he was fired. Instead of kassian he should have traded for someone with speed and skill on the back end who could help the pp which disappeared in the 2011, 2012, 2013 playoffs...
- kaptaan

The Coho trade was a bad one because of the timing and what we needed for sure.

the firings today are good - Linden and Benning are smart enough to come in, learn the organisation, and then make choices.

Benning did great work in Buffalo and Boston. He is doing good work now, so is Linden. We stole Sven B. but no one remembers that cuz it happened 6 months ago. Vrbata was a great deal, and Miller has been a good player and mentor, and Markstrom is going to do well - if not we have other choices around (as we have seen with the goalie market). if Hansen didn't run Miller over he would have played very well down the stretch.

Kassian got moved because of his substance issues. You can't actually keep a guy like that around - no matter what. Too many young assets in the wings.

The canucks are going to be dropping the mitts and moving the puck out of the zone with Bartowski, Edler, Tanev with good first passes, Sbisa can skate it out, (but does need size beside him as he hates heavy contact.)

We all wanted change, and now it is coming, and everyone is moaning about it. We will also pick up lots of points with the new 3 on 3 overtime - Sedins will get lots of extra points.....our d can move and skate. Good news.

Botch on Benning: Some people around the NHL think he's in over his head

Botch on Benning: Some people around the NHL think he's in over his head
- VanHockeyGuy

Well... It was a pretty big mess. I think alot of guys wouldn't have touched the job. Look at all those forward prospects coming with no real stud dmen. It's all backwards.

In any case... The band aid has been ripped off. Let the guy do his thing.

Cuz I I was damn tired of watching repeats of 2012 .

I'm calling it. Management replacements will be alumni from VAN or maybe even BOS.

Botch on Benning: Some people around the NHL think he's in over his head
- VanHockeyGuy

I stopped reading at botch - he has no sources and is a rumor conjurer

Development camp read:

http://canucksarmy.com/20...lvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

The keeners are going to hate this, however if the Canucks did a "thorough evaluation of the organization" why is Delorme still here? Because he's an alumni, that can be the only reason, it can't be based on results. Here's an interesting comparison of Delorme's drafting/scouting verses the other 29 teams. What a joke.

http://canucksarmy.com/20...ther-scouting-departments

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The keeners are going to hate this, however if the Canucks did a "thorough evaluation of the organization" why is Delorme still here? Because he's an alumni, that can be the only reason, it can't be based on results. Here's an interesting comparison of Delorme's drafting/scouting verses the other 29 teams. What a joke.

http://canucksarmy.com/20...ther-scouting-departments
- VanHockeyGuy

I'm fearful this is going to turn into an "Ol' Boys Club" as well. Really question them moving out Eric Crawford, I think he's the biggest reason our drafting started to turn around the past three years. Have to wait and see on that I guess?

One thing I do know, or believe, Trevor Linden is a very strong-willed personality. I form that opinion from his time as head of the players union.

boonerbuck

I'm not complaining that they didn't get better in fact just the opposite. Remove the Canucks blinders & look at the facts. I provided them in my novel. I don't just spit out opinions with out facts. How you got your impession is beyond me.

I don't like a single trade made by Benning. The players he moved he didn't get fair market value for. The players he acquired he over paid for & with the exception of the Vrbata deal I like his UFA. RFA or other contract signings even less. All of them. If your going to rebuild this straddling the fence is terrible. What's worse is we have acquired virtually nothing since Benning took over to help the rebuild. As stated it's way to early to judge his draft history he has only had 2 draftes but considering he's given up every 2nd & 3rd for questionable prospects, suspects really I have concerns.

Be bad, start a proper rebuild. Maximum value for a player in picks is almost always acquired at the trade deadline, next is when a team has sustained a serious injury during the season.

What was the rush to move Lack & Beiksa? The season didn't start for 3 months. TB got a 3rd for Eric Brewer last season. Winnik moved for a 2nd & 4th. I could go on & on. Anaheim's 2nd for Bieksa will be bottom 5 ick in that round. The chances either player drafted with the picks acquired for Lack or Bieksa in the NHL is under 10%. Moving 2 top 4 Dman on reasonable contracts for 2nd round picks only in Bieksa & Garrison was horrible asset management.

My novel addressed asset management & the terrible path choosen to rebuilding. This transition nonsense. Yeah were transitioning alright, transitioning into mediocrity & the again it's all about timing & choice. I don't like what they have done. Just be bad, get better a better draft position & manage your assets properly.

boonerbuck

I'm not complaining that they didn't get better in fact just the opposite. Remove the Canucks blinders & look at the facts. I provided them in my novel. I don't just spit out opinions with out facts. How you got your impession is beyond me.

I don't like a single trade made by Benning. The players he moved he didn't get fair market value for. The players he acquired he over paid for & with the exception of the Vrbata deal I like his UFA. RFA or other contract signings even less. All of them. If your going to rebuild this straddling the fence is terrible. What's worse is we have acquired virtually nothing since Benning took over to help the rebuild. As stated it's way to early to judge his draft history he has only had 2 draftes but considering he's given up every 2nd & 3rd for questionable prospects, suspects really I have concerns.

Be bad, start a proper rebuild. Maximum value for a player in picks is almost always acquired at the trade deadline, next is when a team has sustained a serious injury during the season.

What was the rush to move Lack & Beiksa? The season didn't start for 3 months. TB got a 3rd for Eric Brewer last season. Winnik moved for a 2nd & 4th. I could go on & on. Anaheim's 2nd for Bieksa will be bottom 5 ick in that round. The chances either player drafted with the picks acquired for Lack or Bieksa in the NHL is under 10%. Moving 2 top 4 Dman on reasonable contracts for 2nd round picks only in Bieksa & Garrison was horrible asset management.

My novel addressed asset management & the terrible path choosen to rebuilding. This transition nonsense. Yeah were transitioning alright, transitioning into mediocrity & the again it's all about timing & choice. I don't like what they have done. Just be bad, get better a better draft position & manage your assets properly.

Botch on Benning: Some people around the NHL think he's in over his head
- VanHockeyGuy

Benning is doing just fine.

My novel addressed asset management & the terrible path choosen to rebuilding. This transition nonsense. Yeah were transitioning alright, transitioning into mediocrity & the again it's all about timing & choice. I don't like what they have done. Just be bad, get better a better draft position & manage your assets properly.
- striker777

I respect that fact you're not happy, but you're not going to get the full-on ape-poop retard Oilers rebuild. It's just not going to happen. They have too many people to move out, most have NTC's and the other teams have Cap issues to deal with.

Linden has stated this much publicly; they're not going to throw kids out there just to throw them out there and find out what they can do. They'll put kids into the line-up that earn that right. Which is the right thing to do IMO. Putting kids in before they're ready can ruin careers.

I respect that fact you're not happy, but you're not going to get the full-on ape-poop retard Oilers rebuild. It's just not going to happen. They have too many people to move out, most have NTC's and the other teams have cap to deal with.

Linden has stated this much publicly; they're not going to throw kids out there just to throw them out there and find out what they can do. They'll put kids into the line-up that earn that right. Which is the right thing to do IMO. Putting kids in before they're ready can ruin careers.
- LeftCoaster

Not to mention, will make it hard, if not impossible to attract decent FAs at reasonable prices.

I respect that fact you're not happy, but you're not going to get the full-on ape-poop retard Oilers rebuild. It's just not going to happen. They have too many people to move out, most have NTC's and the other teams have cap to deal with.

Linden has stated this much publicly; they're not going to throw kids out there just to throw them out there and find out what they can do. They'll put kids into the line-up that earn that right. Which is the right thing to do IMO. Putting kids in before they're ready can ruin careers.
- LeftCoaster

Until you get Connor Mcdavid and suddenly your career is revived

Until you get Connor Mcdavid and suddenly your career is revived
- vancity787

well there are definitely exceptions to the rule. He's gonna be a special player and they most certainly got lucky winning the lottery to get him!!

The keeners are going to hate this, however if the Canucks did a "thorough evaluation of the organization" why is Delorme still here? Because he's an alumni, that can be the only reason, it can't be based on results. Here's an interesting comparison of Delorme's drafting/scouting verses the other 29 teams. What a joke.

http://canucksarmy.com/20...ther-scouting-departments
- VanHockeyGuy

If you think Delorme is the only guy calling the shots then i'd say ya can the guy, but GM after GM keeps this guy so they must think he does a good job..... it's up to the GM to listen to him and act on the collective thoughts of the scouting staff and I think some GM's have listened and others like Gillis decided to act on their own. Delorme was doing pretty well in the early 2000's when they found players like umberger, bieksa, kesler, schneider, edler, Hansen, Bourdon, and Raymond. During the Gillis era the only player worth mentioning so far is Horvat and he had to trade a number 1 goalie to get that top pick. I know Gillis didn't have many high picks... but guys like Bieksa, Edler, hansen, Raymond etc were all found after the 1st round with the previous regime.

Bennings got this thing on lock folks.

He's slowly removing the dead weight, assessing his depth at all positions, and adding young assets in hopes of filling up the development gap in this organization.

If, like some are speculating, the recent firings were related to a plan that entails offsetting salaries for lost playoff revenues and tanking for one season, that's probably the best course of action based on the current climate of the league. Let me explain.

Get rid of Burrows, Higgins, Vrbata, Hamhuis for picks at the TDL; retain salary if you have too. If Benning believes that 2016 is going to be an amazing draft class, he should slash this female dog up with reckless abandon because the 2016 Free Agent class is shaping up to be the best we've seen in a long time as well.

If we are able to 1) land a franchise player with a high pick 2) open up approximately 22 million in cap space for free agent acquisitions and 3) add 9-11 players from next years draft, Benning will have essentially retooled this franchise like he said he would.

Next years FA class includes:

Stamkos
E. Staal
Voracek
Backes
Yandle
Lucic
Kopitar
Vrbata
Hamhuis

+ Others

All these guys have to do is play their cards right and we can forgo a traditional rebuild.

I'm fearful this is going to turn into an "Ol' Boys Club" as well. Really question them moving out Eric Crawford, I think he's the biggest reason our drafting started to turn around the past three years. Have to wait and see on that I guess?

One thing I do know, or believe, Trevor Linden is a very strong-willed personality. I form that opinion from his time as head of the players union.
- LeftCoaster

If that's truly the case, and we'll find out as soon as we learn who the replacements are. We will be the Oilers 2.0, man I hope I'm wrong on this.

If you think Delorme is the only guy calling the shots then i'd say ya can the guy, but GM after GM keeps this guy so they must think he does a good job..... it's up to the GM to listen to him and act on the collective thoughts of the scouting staff and I think some GM's have listened and others like Gillis decided to act on their own. Delorme was doing pretty well in the early 2000's when they found players like umberger, bieksa, kesler, schneider, edler, Hansen, Bourdon, and Raymond. During the Gillis era the only player worth mentioning so far is Horvat and he had to trade a number 1 goalie to get that top pick. I know Gillis didn't have many high picks... but guys like Bieksa, Edler, hansen, Raymond etc were all found after the 1st round with the previous regime.
- Mungo

Ultimately there is one guy making the decision. From the sound and look of things right now Benning is. Boeser was who he targeted from the Beginning. The old regime would look at numbers debate back and forth for weeks about useless crap. I like the decisive way Benning handles things. I like that he talks with the media straight up. A good Gm listens and takes whatever info he can from his employees but in the end it remains his choice. Clearly Gillis's choice were way off the board.

Bennings got this thing on lock folks.

He's slowly removing the dead weight, assessing his depth at all positions, and adding young assets in hopes of filling up the development gap in this organization.

If, like some are speculating, the recent firings were related to a plan that entails offsetting salaries for lost playoff revenues and tanking for one season, that's probably the best course of action based on the current climate of the league. Let me explain.

Get rid of Burrows, Higgins, Vrbata, Hamhuis for picks at the TDL; retain salary if you have too. If Benning believes that 2016 is going to be an amazing draft class, he should slash this female dog up with reckless abandon because the 2016 Free Agent class is shaping up to be the best we've seen in a long time as well.

If we are able to 1) land a franchise player with a high pick 2) open up approximately 22 million in cap space for free agent acquisitions and 3) add 9-11 players from next years draft, Benning will have essentially retooled this franchise like he said he would.

Next years FA class includes:

Stamkos
E. Staal
Voracek
Backes
Yandle
Lucic
Kopitar
Vrbata
Hamhuis

+ Others

All these guys have to do is play their cards right and we can forgo a traditional rebuild.
- Gullzy

Stamkos will be locked up for sure. Unless you talk to any Leaf fan then he is going to Toronto.

If that's truly the case, and we'll find out as soon as we learn who the replacements are. We will be the Oilers 2.0, man I hope I'm wrong on this.
- VanHockeyGuy

I think if people look around the league, lots of teams have former players on their management teams, that said, I don't mind having alumni as long as they're intelligent. That's the real issue.

Bennings got this thing on lock folks.

He's slowly removing the dead weight, assessing his depth at all positions, and adding young assets in hopes of filling up the development gap in this organization.

If, like some are speculating, the recent firings were related to a plan that entails offsetting salaries for lost playoff revenues and tanking for one season, that's probably the best course of action based on the current climate of the league. Let me explain.

Get rid of Burrows, Higgins, Vrbata, Hamhuis for picks at the TDL; retain salary if you have too. If Benning believes that 2016 is going to be an amazing draft class, he should slash this female dog up with reckless abandon because the 2016 Free Agent class is shaping up to be the best we've seen in a long time as well.

If we are able to 1) land a franchise player with a high pick 2) open up approximately 22 million in cap space for free agent acquisitions and 3) add 9-11 players from next years draft, Benning will have essentially retooled this franchise like he said he would.

Next years FA class includes:

Stamkos
E. Staal
Voracek
Backes
Yandle
Lucic
Kopitar
Vrbata
Hamhuis

+ Others

All these guys have to do is play their cards right and we can forgo a traditional rebuild.
- Gullzy

You overpay for free agents, we need to develop and make smart hockey trades. If a UFA really want's to come to VAN (why would he?) at a fair price fine. One thing we know is Benning doesn't overpay.