Good morning, -davies-
- Streit2ThePoint

sup

If you listen to him talk and understand his philosophy, you'd be more inclined to agree with what he's doing.

If you look at it from an outside perspective, you'll never understand and see each move as just a way to move the team further from contention.
- PhillySportsGuy

So what am I missing. He is about trying to acquire assets. But what has he done that you see moving this team forward? Look at all the first round picks he got last year. How many did the team actually use? MCW was basically traded for nothing. I think it is all a big shell game.

The NBA is different in where one or two players can control a team and game. I don't see the Sixers as being attractive to a superstar that they need to compete.

Hockey is much more team oriented and a mediocre team can get hot and player well and sometimes upset a better team. Much more parody in hockey then basketball.
- J35Bacher

Absolutely need those stars. Still need to build a team around them that are a fit.

Who cares what hand they are if they can play?
- mayorofangrytown

Because it's hard to put together a top 6 when everyone is a left hander. Konecny, Sandstrom and Tomek were much more of a organizational need than Griffin Reinhart. And 29, 61, 70, and 90 aren't worth as much as 16 and 33 so it would have cost even more than that.

Also, the Islanders made the trade specifically to get Barzal.

http://www.newsday.com/sp...d-of-nhl-draft-1.10585227

"We wouldn't have made the deal if [Barzal] wasn't there," Snow said.

Absolutely need those stars. Still need to build a team around them that are a fit.
- MJL

Really?

Look at the Cavs team Lebron took to the finals I believe it was against SA.

Lebron, Eric Snow, Daniel Gibson, Anderson Verjau,, and big Z I think or Shaq. They only made it because they had the biggest superstar.

Really?

Look at the Cavs team Lebron took to the finals I believe it was against SA.

Lebron, Eric Snow, Daniel Gibson, Anderson Verjau,, and big Z I think or Shaq. They only made it because they had the biggest superstar.
- J35Bacher

Yes, really, you need a team, not just a superstar? Has there ever been a team that had a superstar that didn't make it to the finals, or win a championship? Not the only ingredient needed.

Because it's hard to put together a top 6 when everyone is a left hander. Konecny, Sandstrom and Tomek were much more of a organizational need than Griffin Reinhart. And 29, 61, 70, and 90 aren't worth as much as 16 and 33 so it would have cost even more than that.

Also, the Islanders made the trade specifically to get Barzal.

http://www.newsday.com/sp...d-of-nhl-draft-1.10585227
- Feanor

I already said I wouldn't have made the move Edmonton did. There are plenty of scenarios that could have made Reinhart an attractive move. I'm not going to run through all of them anymore then I want to read you run through all of the reasons not to acquire him.

And everyone is well aware that Snow wouldn't have moved him if he didn't see the opportunity to nab Barzal at 16. It's well documented for anyone who watched the draft. That's why Reinhart's in Edm and not NY.

sup
- -davies-

-davies-! Good afternoon.

Reinhart wasn't worth trading for. We have four better LHD prospects than him. Skating is critical for a dman in the modern NHL.

http://toomanymenonthesit...s-risk-is-islanders-gain/

Well, three years later and Reinhart still couldn’t crack the Islanders top-six. He played eight regular season games and one playoff game this past season, playing so poorly that despite a rash of injuries to the blue line, the Islanders benched Reinhart again in elimination games for players with less pedigree than him.

This isn’t to say that Reinhart will never be a good defenseman, but his play never developed as the Islanders hoped it would, specifically his skating and quickness (he had the grace of an oil tanker on the ice.) It also probably didn’t make anyone too pleased that Morgan Reilly, Hampus Lindholm, and Jacob Trouba, defensemen selected after Reinhart, have all been consistent contributors to their teams.

Yes, really, you need a team, not just a superstar? Has there ever been a team that had a superstar that didn't make it to the finals, or win a championship? Not the only ingredient needed.
- MJL

Has there been a team without a superstar that has made it to the finals? I can only think of one and that was the one year the Pistons did. Other then that I don't think so.

Has there been a team without a superstar that has made it to the finals? I can only think of one and that was the one year the Pistons did. Other then that I don't think so.
- J35Bacher

I agreed a few posts back that a superstar player is a needed ingredient.


"Absolutely need those stars"

Reinhart wasn't worth trading for. We have four better LHD prospects than him. Skating is critical for a dman in the modern NHL.

http://toomanymenonthesit...s-risk-is-islanders-gain/
- Feanor

I like Reinhart, but no desire to trade for him. He's got to get better on his skates

So what am I missing. He is about trying to acquire assets. But what has he done that you see moving this team forward? Look at all the first round picks he got last year. How many did the team actually use? MCW was basically traded for nothing. I think it is all a big shell game.
- J35Bacher

I'm not going to go through this whole thing on a hockey website.

If you knew the NBA as well as you know the NHL, you'd have a different opinion.

I'm not going to go through this whole thing on a hockey website.

If you knew the NBA as well as you know the NHL, you'd have a different opinion.
- PhillySportsGuy

There is nothing going on right now unless the Blues and Flyers trade so lets talk.

How is Hinkie's marvelous plan going to work out? Right now I just see it as a massive shell game.

There is nothing going on right now unless the Blues and Flyers trade so lets talk.

How is Hinkie's marvelous plan going to work out? Right now I just see it as a massive shell game.
- J35Bacher

I'm admittedly not a big NBA fan... but the thing I don't get with his plan, is he doesn't seem to be establishing anything to this point. He drafts a few good players, and when they start doing well, he then trades them for picks.. drafts a few good players with those picks, and then they start doing well, he then trades them for picks. I'm just confused by his mindset, I guess. It seems like an endless cycle with no end game.

But like I said, that's just the outside looking in. I'm not "in tune" with the Soxers on the NBA in general, just from CSN and stuff.

I'm admittedly not a big NBA fan... but the thing I don't get with his plan, is he doesn't seem to be establishing anything to this point. He drafts a few good players, and when they start doing well, he then trades them for picks.. drafts a few good players with those picks, and then they start doing well, he then trades them for picks. I'm just confused by his mindset, I guess. It seems like an endless cycle with no end game.

But like I said, that's just the outside looking in. I'm not "in tune" with the Soxers on the NBA in general, just from CSN and stuff.
- WarriorHockey21

I agree, and I said something along the same lines earlier. He has to start actually developing a team, so they can have some continuity and chemistry built, rather then a continuous revolving door of players.

PULL YOURSELF TOGETHER
- -davies-

i guess im in he dog house

Reinhart wasn't worth trading for. We have four better LHD prospects than him. Skating is critical for a dman in the modern NHL.

http://toomanymenonthesit...s-risk-is-islanders-gain/
- Feanor

Who the heck is Mike Hrankiwskyj?

This isn't worth getting into a prolonged discussion over a throw away post on a basketball website but:

http://blogs.edmontonjour...enceman-griffin-reinhart/

I just like the kid. If we had gone with a forward at 7 (we didn't http://www.nj.com/flyers/..._overall_5_things_to.html) I might have considered moving something for him. Not Barzal but something.

I'm admittedly not a big NBA fan... but the thing I don't get with his plan, is he doesn't seem to be establishing anything to this point. He drafts a few good players, and when they start doing well, he then trades them for picks.. drafts a few good players with those picks, and then they start doing well, he then trades them for picks. I'm just confused by his mindset, I guess. It seems like an endless cycle with no end game.

But like I said, that's just the outside looking in. I'm not "in tune" with the Soxers on the NBA in general, just from CSN and stuff. -WarriorHockey

I've seen this argument before and it's false. The only player he brought in who semi-established himself before being traded was Carter-Williams and he has plenty of flaws in his game, not to mention PG is the easiest position to find in the NBA today.

I'm not going to go through this whole thing on a hockey website.

If you knew the NBA as well as you know the NHL, you'd have a different opinion.
- PhillySportsGuy

not to mention he is using Eskin terminology

There is nothing going on right now unless the Blues and Flyers trade so lets talk.

How is Hinkie's marvelous plan going to work out? Right now I just see it as a massive shell game.
- J35Bacher

they have 3 of the top prospects in the league on their roster right now. they are pieces you can build around. But it takes time.


tell me what kind of players you saw on their roster for like the last 15 years.

okay duane you can come out now

When is Vinny terminating?

not to mention he is using Eskin terminology
- Crimsoninja

Eskin was right on about the Lakers too