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Forums :: Blog World :: Carol Schram: Vancouver Canucks: Bieksa and Kassian Gone, Weber Returns & Depth Signings
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DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Jul 1 @ 9:24 PM ET
It's disconcerting in what manner some of these rumours of egregious conduct are thrown out there. Who's to say they have any sort of merit when there is no way to substantiate unless you actually have a witness or witnesses who are willing to go on record. Alas, it's always interesting that no one ever seems to have the concrete facts surrounding such an issue. And if that is the case, it's really unfair to the player involved, given they have no control over such allegations. And ultimately it's extremely hard to sway public opinion if they are convinced you've been involved in such conduct - something which can really adversely affect your career.

Anyway, something I always keep in mind whenever any of these types of rumours come about.

- Zogg


Rumours usually have some sort of truth to them, that's the problem, maybe not to the extent some might want to portray it. Maybe he's not a 'cokehead', but there is something to his off the ice conduct that has been a detriment or it wouldn't be mentioned even obliquely by Benning/Linden.
Zogg
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jul 1 @ 9:24 PM ET
Did you ask coaches as well?
- A_SteamingLombardi


lol, well, I will usually take players answers on such a subject, rather than any member of an organization, as they are the ones that have to be in that lockeroom with the guy for the entire year.

But like I said, it's sometimes hard to know who to believe. There are a lot of cagey hockey people out there who plant these type of seeds in the media to further their own/team's agenda.
DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Jul 1 @ 9:27 PM ET
lol, well, I will usually take players answers on such a subject, rather than any member of an organization, as they are the ones that have to be in that lockeroom with the guy for the entire year.

But like I said, it's sometimes hard to know who to believe. There are a lot of cagey hockey people out there who plant these type of seeds in the media to further their own/team's agenda.

- Zogg


They also stick to a code that they won't say anything bad about a fellow player. So I never believe the players when they say he was a great teammate.
Zogg
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jul 1 @ 9:30 PM ET
Rumours usually have some sort of truth to them, that's the problem, maybe not to the extent some might want to portray it. Maybe he's not a 'cokehead', but there is something to his off the ice conduct that has been a detriment or it wouldn't be mentioned even obliquely by Benning/Linden.
- DariusKnight


Fair enough. Obviously there were certain conduct issues since that was even confirmed by management, as you noted. However, I think, even though there ultimately seems to be something to a rumour, my problem is how it quickly escalates from "Kassian was seen partying it up at the Roxie" vs "Kassian was seen doing coke off stripper's navals and missed practice".

I think if you are going to claim something like that, you better have a lot of facts/witnesses. Throwing these type of ugly rumours out there you are seriously dealing with the possibility of significantly affecting the player's career, by throwing all these aspersions. To date, I don't believe there have been any actual facts or eyewitness reports (that are also ON THE RECORD) which confirm these events happened. Or to what sort of extent the rumour(s) is actually true.
Whiskey-Tango
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Classification: Bipolar-Tanker, QC
Joined: 12.10.2011

Jul 1 @ 9:31 PM ET
Though i remain somewhat complacent in regards to many of Benning's current moves, i.e Kassian/Lack, i am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and certainly more leeway in terms his "time-frame".

That said, with the current make-up of the roster i fail to see this purported "youth movement" that many are apparently witnessing. Where and how do the likes of Sven, Virtanen, Corrado and Clendening fit on the roster below, let alone other longs shots like McCann,Cassels and Shink that many are already penciling in?

(Ignore the line combinations below)

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Higgins-Bonino-Vrbata
Hansen-Horvat-Dorestt
Prust-Vey?-Kenins

Edler-Tanev
Hamhuis-Sbisa
Weber( ) - Bartkowski

Change, or simply older and less talented?
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita
Joined: 07.14.2011

Jul 1 @ 9:31 PM ET
not according to a number of players who went on record to say Kessel was a good team-mate. Who do you believe, I guess
- Zogg

Oh my bad, i thought he was a fat, one dimensional, selfish, cancer in the dressing room overpaid player.

I always liked him. I'm glad he seems to have gained many supporters in the last 24 hours or so.
Zogg
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jul 1 @ 9:36 PM ET
They also stick to a code that they won't say anything bad about a fellow player. So I never believe the players when they say he was a great teammate.
- DariusKnight


That would be the case if ONLY teammates were being interviewed on record (I agree that there is a bit of a code as not to throw any players under the bus). But the pundits and various inside hockey people that also report on a team, always look at other inside sources as well - ones that are OFF the record also. So, if you have both teammates saying you are a great teammate on the record, it confirms that even further when players are quoted off the record.
Zogg
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jul 1 @ 9:40 PM ET
Oh my bad, i thought he was a fat, one dimensional, selfish, cancer in the dressing room overpaid player.

I always liked him. I'm glad he seems to have gained many supporters in the last 24 hours or so.

- walshyleafsfan


I've never liked nor disliked Kessel. I think he just seems to attract controversy, some of which is unfounded, some of which isn't. So, he's a bad interview, that doesn't infer anything or should make him a bit of a whipping boy for the media.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Jul 1 @ 9:43 PM ET
I am going out now but will just respond anyways.

I think it is a biggie. Most people on here and everywhere had Kassian slotted on the top line. Myself included. I would take that , as most people here ,expected him to be one of the best on the team.

One of the young player that most had high hopes for , today was traded for a bag of peanuts and we had to add a draft pick to get that slim return. I think it says something about the state of team.

It is still the beginning of summer and things can change but I don't in any way see this as a positive.

Good luck to Bieksa Lack and Kassian , they needed to be moved , but Benning is proving to be a horrible negotiator.

- VANTEL


1) I thought Kassian was going to get another shot on the top line as well but obviously MNGT sees otherwise and is very aware of his antics. It appears they were done with him months ago. In 3.5 years he has shown no consistency to be a top 6 player.

2) The state of the team is rebuild or retool on the fly or whatever. Now that it is apparently in full swing people aren't happy. Bottom line is that we have NTC's and players that no team wants outside of Horvat and the Sedins. We have literally zero value to offer other clubs and get the return we desire. So it's drafting and developing. Such is life in the bigs. Many have been calling for the rebuild and now it's starting and we need to get on board with the fact that the players we are trying to trade are next to worthless. Our return is what it is.

3) Yes I partially agree Benning needs negotiating skills but that will come. Rookie GMs will make snap decisions and mistakes. After the moves he made in season 1 to get us into the playoffs when we really should not have been there...I have some faith that his plan for our youth will pan out. We finally have a decent prospect list that he is apparently making room for on the roster. It's what many have wanted and we need to be able to handle the swings up and down and there will be many.
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Jul 1 @ 9:44 PM ET
Though i remain somewhat complacent in regards to many of Benning's current moves, i.e Kassian/Lack, i am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and certainly more leeway in terms his "time-frame".

That said, with the current make-up of the roster i fail to see this purported "youth movement" that many are apparently witnessing. Where and how do the likes of Sven, Virtanen, Corrado and Clendening fit on the roster below, let alone other longs shots like McCann,Cassels and Shink that many are already penciling in?

(Ignore the line combinations below)

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Higgins-Bonino-Vrbata
Hansen-Horvat-Dorestt
Prust-Vey?-Kenins

Edler-Tanev
Hamhuis-Sbisa
Weber( ) - Bartkowski

Change, or simply older and less talented?

- Whiskey-Tango

Baertski is a lock. As is either corrado or clendenning. Perhaps both. Bartowski is probably a depth guy, corrado #5 and weber and clendenning battle out for #6.
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita
Joined: 07.14.2011

Jul 1 @ 9:45 PM ET
I've never liked nor disliked Kessel. I think he just seems to attract controversy, some of which is unfounded, some of which isn't. So, he's a bad interview, that doesn't infer anything or should make him a bit of a whipping boy for the media.
- Zogg

No i have it on good authority (blowted) that he was a cancer and the Laffs won that deal.
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jul 1 @ 9:46 PM ET
Kassian is empty in the head....three regimes he's had a chance, and pissed it away every time. His career is on the Cody hodgeson trajectory...which is basically he's circling the bowl and almost going under. We dropped another distraction and acquired character and heart. Very solid move by JB and I'm very happy with his moves today. They finally get that being in the middle won't get this team where it wants to be !
- Bullfrog77

Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Jul 1 @ 9:50 PM ET
Oh my bad, i thought he was a fat, one dimensional, selfish, cancer in the dressing room overpaid player.

I always liked him. I'm glad he seems to have gained many supporters in the last 24 hours or so.

- walshyleafsfan

Fat-yes
One dimensional-yes(when he is on, its quite a dimension) when off he's invisible
Cancer in dressing room-never thought this. In fact a few months ago he defended his teammate who the media was bashing

The fact is kessel was a mistake in Toronto. Kid doesn't like attention. He is "the man" 4 yrs ago, kessel is Vancouver, riding 2nd fiddle to the sedins would have brought a cup or 2 here. Perfect fit in Pittsburgh
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 1 @ 9:51 PM ET
Baertski is a lock. As is either corrado or clendenning. Perhaps both. Bartowski is probably a depth guy, corrado #5 and weber and clendenning battle out for #6.
- Bieksa#3

Wouldn't be surprised if it's more like this:

Edler - Tanev
Hamhuis - ___
____ - ____


Then the other 3 if from who has the best camp and is playing well during the season out of Sbisa/Bartkowski/Clendening/Corrado/Weber

I'm still unclear on Pedan's waiver eligibility.
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Jul 1 @ 9:52 PM ET
No i have it on good authority (blowted) that he was a cancer and the Laffs won that deal.
- walshyleafsfan



I think bloated is stirring the pot. The guy believe it or not is a kessel fan.
Just think of what Dion is worth
Whiskey-Tango
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Classification: Bipolar-Tanker, QC
Joined: 12.10.2011

Jul 1 @ 9:52 PM ET
Baertski is a lock. As is either corrado or clendenning. Perhaps both. Bartowski is probably a depth guy, corrado #5 and weber and clendenning battle out for #6.
- Bieksa#3


Hopefully and yet the forward ranks are still heavily clogged with dead weight.

I'm all for tanking at this point but would enjoy at the very least a few young guns (Sven, Virtanen) to make the team for excitement/entertainment purposes, otherwise this coming season is going to be the equivalent of watching paint dry.
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Jul 1 @ 9:56 PM ET
No i have it on good authority (blowted) that he was a cancer and the Laffs won that deal.
- walshyleafsfan

How's RogerRopesucker taking this.

He had the deal as either

Strome
Reinhart
MDC
NYI 1st in 16

Or
.Ekblad
Barkov
,1st

Some of the proposals your fellow leaders had on kessel rivaled scooby's value of Luongo
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita
Joined: 07.14.2011

Jul 1 @ 9:57 PM ET
Fat-yes
One dimensional-yes(when he is on, its quite a dimension) when off he's invisible
Cancer in dressing room-never thought this. In fact a few months ago he defended his teammate who the media was bashing

The fact is kessel was a mistake in Toronto. Kid doesn't like attention. He is "the man" 4 yrs ago, kessel is Vancouver, riding 2nd fiddle to the sedins would have brought a cup or 2 here. Perfect fit in Pittsburgh

- Bieksa#3

I cannot keep up with people's changing opinions on current vs passed Leafs players.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 1 @ 9:58 PM ET
Hopefully and yet the forward ranks are still heavily clogged with dead weight.

I'm all for tanking at this point but would enjoy at the very least a few young guns (Sven, Virtanen) to make the team for excitement/entertainment purposes, otherwise this coming season is going to be the equivalent of watching paint dry.

- Whiskey-Tango

Sven is a lock to make it. Benning seems to want to push for Virtanen to make it like he did with Horvat.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 1 @ 10:00 PM ET
How's RogerRopesucker taking this.

He had the deal as either

Strome
Reinhart
MDC
NYI 1st in 16

Or
.Ekblad
Barkov
,1st

Some of the proposals your fellow leaders had on kessel rivaled scooby's value of Luongo

- Bieksa#3



It's clear that both fanbases have huge homers/idiots. And then trolls who feed off of that to paint the entire opposing fanbase with one paintbrush.


That's pretty much hockeybuzz in a nutshell. GardinerExpress is hilarious too, I feel like some guys take this stuff too personally
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita
Joined: 07.14.2011

Jul 1 @ 10:02 PM ET
How's RogerRopesucker taking this.

He had the deal as either

Strome
Reinhart
MDC
NYI 1st in 16

Or
.Ekblad
Barkov
,1st

Some of the proposals your fellow leaders had on kessel rivaled scooby's value of Luongo

- Bieksa#3


That (frank)ing Roger reminds me of you guy's with goalies. Completely out the loop.
Jim_Robson
Vancouver Canucks
Location: GillisDestroyedOurTeam, BC
Joined: 04.02.2014

Jul 1 @ 10:02 PM ET
Kassian should help solve that. He's an inspirational, mature leader.



But seriously, Montreal won this trade value-wise.

- Nucker101


…vs Prust who will potentially be the referees most hated player next year due to his recent playoff outburst.
Whiskey-Tango
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Classification: Bipolar-Tanker, QC
Joined: 12.10.2011

Jul 1 @ 10:03 PM ET
Sven is a lock to make it. Benning seems to want to push for Virtanen to make it like he did with Horvat.
- Nucker101


All for it and yet i don't see much interest league-wide in the likes of Burrows/Higgins/Hansen etc etc.


Zogg
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jul 1 @ 10:09 PM ET
…vs Prust who will potentially be the referees most hated player next year due to his recent playoff outburst.
- Jim_Robson


people thought the Burrows things was bad
Jim_Robson
Vancouver Canucks
Location: GillisDestroyedOurTeam, BC
Joined: 04.02.2014

Jul 1 @ 10:10 PM ET
Sven is a lock to make it. Benning seems to want to push for Virtanen to make it like he did with Horvat.
- Nucker101


I'd love to see Boeser leapfrog Virtanen and make the team. I think another year in Jr would serve Jake well.
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