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Forums :: Blog World :: Carol Schram: Vancouver Canucks: Bieksa and Kassian Gone, Weber Returns & Depth Signings
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Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 1 @ 7:27 PM ET
Prust is not the same since his shoulder injury in Tampa.

He's always injured but never mention it.

Plus, rumors said he brings Glachenyuk and Gallagher in too many after hours

- MartyMcFlyHabs


Kassian should help solve that. He's an inspirational, mature leader.



But seriously, Montreal won this trade value-wise.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 1 @ 7:27 PM ET
I agree, he hasn't been the best at negotiating but I think we're finding out why Gillis was hesitant to make moves during his last year and a half here. Our valuable assets all have NTC's so there aren't bidding wars for them and the guys without NTC's aren't in high demand.

People need to accept it. You guys ripped Gillis for always holding out because he kept saying that he wasn't getting offered good trades and now we have a GM who's making moves even if he's not getting the best value.

The Canucks aren't dealing from a position of strength.

- Nucker101

Lets be honest about something here, the Canucks don't have any "valuable assets" outside of the Sedins and Horvat. I guess it depends on what your definition of a valuable asset is?
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 1 @ 7:28 PM ET
The Kesler and Garrison deals were more appalling than Bieksa/Lack trades(value-wise) so this sudden uproar is funny.
anavar
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.29.2008

Jul 1 @ 7:29 PM ET
I agree, he hasn't been the best at negotiating but I think we're finding out why Gillis was hesitant to make moves during his last year and a half here. Our valuable assets all have NTC's so there aren't bidding wars for them and the guys without NTC's aren't in high demand.

People need to accept it. You guys ripped Gillis for always holding out because he kept saying that he wasn't getting offered good trades and now we have a GM who's making moves even if he's not getting the best value.

The Canucks aren't dealing from a position of strength.

- Nucker101

always good to see some level headed responses. Fact is our team is trending downhill, change is/was needed badly. JB is doing that because it is needed but he is taking the brunt of the city. He has done some questionably things to warrant some questioning but it is as if the witch hunt is on - everyone and there dog is making JB the new whipping boy for this team. He really isn't handcuffing us in the future though - no long term contracts and is slowly purging the old core while stocking up on prospects.

People need to give it a little time.
MartyMcFlyHabs
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal, QC
Joined: 04.25.2015

Jul 1 @ 7:33 PM ET
Kassian should help solve that. He's an inspirational, mature leader.



But seriously, Montreal won this trade value-wise.

- Nucker101


I don't think Montreal won this trade...

Emelin instead of Prust, now we talk !
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 1 @ 7:33 PM ET
Lets be honest about something here, the Canucks don't have any "valuable assets" outside of the Sedins and Horvat. I guess it depends on what your definition of a valuable asset is?
- LeftCoaster

They have a few, but not many that are likely to move:

Henrik(NTC)
Daniel(NTC)
Vrbata(limited NTC)
Bonino
Hamhuis(NTC)
Edler(NTC)
Tanev(just signed and still young, future/current core)
Horvat(young, future core)
McCann(Benning considers him a future core player)
Virtanen(ditto)
Boeser(ditto)

Realistically, it's Vrbata and Bonino that would have multiple teams interested in them, be easy to move and get decent returns. Bonino probably gets a 2nd. Vrbata maybe a late 1st if he has a repeat season. The rest would be difficult to move for one reason or another.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 1 @ 7:37 PM ET
They have a few, but not many that are likely to move:

Henrik(NTC)
Daniel(NTC)
Vrbata(limited NTC)
Bonino
Hamhuis(NTC)
Edler(NTC)
Tanev(just signed and still young, future/current core)
Horvat(young, future core)
McCann(Benning considers him a future core player)
Virtanen(ditto)
Boeser(ditto)

Realistically, it's Vrbata and Bonino that would have multiple teams interested in them, be easy to move and get decent returns. Bonino probably gets a 2nd. Vrbata maybe a late 1st if he has a repeat season. The rest would be difficult to move for one reason or another.

- Nucker101

To me a valuable asset is a guy who'll bring you a first rounder, Vrbata is the one and only guy who can do that for you.

Keeping in mind they're not trading the twins or Horvat.
canucktruck
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 01.23.2013

Jul 1 @ 7:41 PM ET
The way i see it we didn't lose anyone today that significantly added to the Canucks chances of making playoffs last year (except for Lack), and it can be argued that Markstrom is a better goalie than Lack so the Lack move is only a goaltending upgrade.

Kassian had no impact on playoffs, same with Bieksa. We replaced them with solid younger defensemen, that are just as physical or more, and then Brandon Prust who is a warrior and a leader. The team should be just as good as last year and more tougher. I don't see these moves making us worse at all.

I'm scratching my head on the 5th round pick.. but i think that is due to the fact that Montreal was giving up a leader in their dressing room and maybe canucks were missing those character guy(s) since KB is now gone.
Bullfrog77
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vernon, BC
Joined: 02.18.2015

Jul 1 @ 7:42 PM ET
JB is creating competition, flexibility and infuseing much needed change in the orginization. Gillis went the other way....hope and dream and mortgage the future. Benning absolutely is the right man for the job! Yes there will be some hard years but we may end up what we've always been promised but never achieved. A championship caliber club, home grown
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Jul 1 @ 7:43 PM ET
Just looked at the leafs prospects.

Marner
Nylander
Kapenen

I know they are an average of 19 yrs old but the average 170lbs.
I think they need to change their model
docmorgan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: stall, Crosby, perry Giroux, T, BC
Joined: 01.06.2011

Jul 1 @ 7:44 PM ET
Derek Dorsett sent Benning a text saying "Thank You" for the Prust signing. #Canucks


Now they can split the duties.
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Jul 1 @ 7:45 PM ET
JB is creating competition, flexibility and infuseing much needed change in the orginization. Gillis went the other way....hope and dream and mortgage the future. Benning absolutely is the right man for the job! Yes there will be some hard years but we may end up what we've always been promised but never achieved. A championship caliber club, home grown
- Bullfrog77

Exactly. Good post

Still like to see burrows/Higgins and Hansen moved
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 1 @ 7:48 PM ET
Good interview by Linden, I liked what he had to say
Zogg
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jul 1 @ 7:49 PM ET
Just looked at the leafs prospects.

Marner
Nylander
Kapenen

I know they are an average of 19 yrs old but the average 170lbs.
I think they need to change their model

- Bieksa#3


strike Kapenen off that list now
Bullfrog77
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vernon, BC
Joined: 02.18.2015

Jul 1 @ 7:55 PM ET
Oh there will be plenty more moves....may not be right away. I'd say that they will run with these moves till trade deadline. We will have a scrappy club that plays hard, much like the flames a couple years ago. But we will be at the bottom of the west or close to it. Then you'll see JB load up on picks, and maybe , just maybe the Sedins may look to get off the bus and try to win a cup
docmorgan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: stall, Crosby, perry Giroux, T, BC
Joined: 01.06.2011

Jul 1 @ 7:58 PM ET
Definitely slipping down the food chain
sorry guys

It's OK - we just kicked the Flames aass around for almost 10 years - what comes around goes around.
docmorgan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: stall, Crosby, perry Giroux, T, BC
Joined: 01.06.2011

Jul 1 @ 8:01 PM ET
Kessel immediately cancelled all his kids summer camps - stay classy Kessel
Bullfrog77
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vernon, BC
Joined: 02.18.2015

Jul 1 @ 8:01 PM ET
I bet we have 3 first round and three second round picks next year
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jul 1 @ 8:02 PM ET
I bet we have 3 first round and three second round picks next year
- Bullfrog77

You guys and your betting
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 1 @ 8:02 PM ET
I bet we have 3 first round and three second round picks next year
- Bullfrog77


Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 1 @ 8:02 PM ET
strike Kapenen off that list now
- Zogg

?
Bullfrog77
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vernon, BC
Joined: 02.18.2015

Jul 1 @ 8:05 PM ET
Yep...get one at tdl for vrbata....and one for either elder / hamhuis ++ prospect/player. Likely edler. I think JB knows exactly what hes got there....
docmorgan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: stall, Crosby, perry Giroux, T, BC
Joined: 01.06.2011

Jul 1 @ 8:06 PM ET
From a hab fan perspective, I must say I like the 5th rounder and the cap savings that comes with Kassian. Prust is heart and soul but clearly slowing down a lot. not the same guy the Habs signed 3 years ago.
- habfanforever

Yeh well Kassian is slowing down a lot too.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 1 @ 8:11 PM ET
That Hodgson for Kassian trade is going to come down to us (hopefully) getting a draft pick for Prust....so Buffalo gets nothing and we get a 4th round pick
habfanforever
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jul 1 @ 8:11 PM ET
I agree, I think people have gotten snowed with his potential, he's practically a bust at this point. He's not physical enough, nor does he score enough consistently to excuse it. He makes stupid plays offensively, takes dumb penalties and he's also a mess off the ice. We got rid of a problem for a roster spot for JV and a 13th forward that will provide energy, physicality, heart and leadership... all traits we've been crying for years for. So what that we had to give up a 5th round pick, it's a freaking 5th round pick for gods sake.
- DariusKnight

As I recall, timmins snatched Gallagher right from your backyard with a 5th rounder...
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