We told you not to get concussions, you're fired
- Jsaquella

If he gave himself one in the offseason cliff diving or something else stupid, then they would have a good case.

I think it's safe to say that the Kings have documentation, and have addressed the situaiton with both their council and the league council
- MJL

I'm sure LA has all their ducks in line with something like this.

If it's for violating a team rule, and not staying in LA to train, is it a rule for every player on the team? They all have to stay in LA and train?

It's not for not being in shape, he was directed to remain in LA for training and refused to do so. The Kings are going to say that violated team rules and negated the contract
- Jsaquella

Careful.
a rule the team put in place for him...and hopefully for the kings, other players that were out of shape.
I doubt it is a "team" rule that players stay in LA during the offseason to train

If he gave himself one in the offseason cliff diving or something else stupid, then they would have a good case.
- Feanor

Perhaps, but Ek's tweet said nothing about it potentially being off ice injury, he was saying the drop in his play was due to concussions, not partying

It's not for not being in shape, he was directed to remain in LA for training and refused to do so. The Kings are going to say that violated team rules and negated the contract
- Jsaquella

If everyone didn't have to do it, how is it a team rule?

I'm sure LA has all their ducks in line with something like this.
- Streit2ThePoint

I mean, you have to, right?

Because you KNOW that is getting grieved, and every other team with cap woes isn't buying any of what you're selling if you're going to try the conditioning ploy -- or they're going to try it themselves

I'm sure LA has all their ducks in line with something like this.
- Streit2ThePoint

I'm guessing they do.

Careful.
a rule the team put in place for him...and hopefully for the kings, other players that were out of shape.
I doubt it is a "team" rule that players stay in LA during the offseason to train
- nails

I'm just going off what they said. There doesn't appear to be any language that says specifically that a team can't order an individual player to do training or rehab or whatever.

That's what LTIR is for. Not buying it Ek
- eayost

unless you got the concussion doing something that your contract says you are not allowed to do

I mean, you have to, right?

Because you KNOW that is getting grieved, and every other team with cap woes isn't buying any of what you're selling if you're going to try the conditioning ploy -- or they're going to try it themselves
- AllInForFlyers

Exactly

If everyone didn't have to do it, how is it a team rule?
- johndewar

Exactly -- can you modify someone's work conditions like that?

Again, I've never heard of something like that. Those are some great questions

Incidentally, I wonder what was said during the Jarrett Stoll court proceedings behind closed doors.

/going there

Just seems like a hail mary to get away from the buyout. The timing is very convenient and I think it will be hard to prove. He did play 53 games for them and some in the AHL. If conditioning was such a hindrance then the issue should have been taken care of during the season.

It will be curious to see how this all plays out.
- J35Bacher

You don't do something like this to avoid a buyout, if you have no viable grounds to support your actions. The union would crucify them, and rightfully so if it was based on flimsy issues. There has to be damning evidence, which might be why they aren't commenting further on anything.

Very crazy, to say the least.

I'm just going off what they said. There doesn't appear to be any language that says specifically that a team can't order an individual player to do training or rehab or whatever.
- Jsaquella

This is going to be interesting for sure.
and of course, we will likely never know the real reasons....outside of cap circumvention

Incidentally, I wonder what was said during the Jarrett Stoll court proceedings behind closed doors.

/going there
- johndewar

/not the only one -- I thought it

I mean, you have to, right?

Because you KNOW that is getting grieved, and every other team with cap woes isn't buying any of what you're selling if you're going to try the conditioning ploy -- or they're going to try it themselves
- AllInForFlyers

If it is for conditioning I would hope they have a whole lot of metrics with goals, targets, results, etc.

Imho, it's not conditioning. As you say, doing so opens up a huge can of worms that will get teams out of cap trouble in a real hurry.

Incidentally, I wonder what was said during the Jarrett Stoll court proceedings behind closed doors.

/going there
- johndewar

Drugs - okay
Wife beating - okay
Muffin top - that's it! You're fired!!

If everyone didn't have to do it, how is it a team rule?
- johndewar

Because, the CBA says they can terminate the deal if he fails, neglects or refuses to follow the team's rules governing training and conduct.

Doesn't specify that all team rules have to apply to the entire team.

If it is for conditioning I would hope they have a whole lot of metrics with goals, targets, results, etc.

Imho, it's not conditioning. As you say, doing so opens up a huge can of worms that will get teams out of cap trouble in a real hurry.
- Scoob

Vinny, we told you not to get old and have your feet slow down.

You don't do something like this to avoid a buyout, if you have no viable grounds to support your actions. The union would crucify them, and rightfully so if it was based on flimsy issues. There has to be damning evidence, which might be why they aren't commenting further on anything.

Very crazy, to say the least.
- the deaninator

I don't know.

Until details come out for why the contract was terminated I can only guess that maybe they are using language in the contract and trying to have it fit their narrative.

LA really needs this money off the books and a termination saves on paying money and also clears off the cap hit.

Incidentally, I wonder what was said during the Jarrett Stoll court proceedings behind closed doors.

/going there
- johndewar

Stoll is a pending UFA and plead out to two misdemeanors to avoid the felony charge.

/not the only one -- I thought it
- AllInForFlyers

And who knows if that's it?

But, to terminate a sports contract for something like not being in shape to the subjective desires of your employer would be unprecedented in the NHL. I can't remember anything like that.

I could see this happening in the NFL, where they don't have guaranteed deals anyway.

Rinaldo traded to Boston for a 3rd!

THE RINALDO ERA HAS ENDED