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Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jun 29 @ 2:44 PM ET
Jesus Christ, I wonder what Richards could have done? If it was something serious then I guess good on the Kings for finding a way out of the mess they made by not using the CBO last year.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 29 @ 2:46 PM ET
Oh, my.

That sounds like he got caught doing something.

Because everyone knows that they want cap relief, and that they've tried to trade him, and that they were buying him out.

The only way you try to terminate his deal is if he straight-up got caught doing something

- AllInForFlyers


Yup.

I'd be surprised if they tried to do this on the basis of being out of shape. That precedent would cause Don Fehr to come out of the woodwork.

jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jun 29 @ 2:46 PM ET
It could be something as simple as him not conditioning in the off season
- benjichronic

I dont know the players rights in the CBA, but lack of conditioning seems like a weak excuse to void a contract. Things like criminal violations, repetitive drug and alcohol abuse (after treatments) and stuff like that I could understand.. but I still think it should have to go through some sort of tribunal.
benjichronic
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 09.22.2014

Jun 29 @ 2:47 PM ET
you got a big mouth but im glad you can hide behind a computer screen either way its a FACT that tomahawk backed up my opinion, and you agreed with it, but then wanna argue with me. who's the little child now?
- JoeRussomanno


Dude cool it, you're just arguing just to argue.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jun 29 @ 2:47 PM ET
Dude cool it, you're just arguing just to argue.
- benjichronic

dont hide behind your computer though.

benjichronic
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 09.22.2014

Jun 29 @ 2:48 PM ET
I dont know the players rights in the CBA, but lack of conditioning seems like a weak excuse to void a contract. Things like criminal violations, repetitive drug and alcohol abuse (after treatments) and stuff like that I could understand.. but I still think it should have to go through some sort of tribunal.
- jak521


It would be a weak reason to do so, but a cap strapped team like LA, you do watcha gotta do to get by.

But yeah I agree it's probably something a little more than just conditioning.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 29 @ 2:49 PM ET
Dude cool it, you're just arguing just to argue.
- benjichronic

even if thats the case ive never made a personal attack on someone.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 29 @ 2:49 PM ET
e are not prepared to provide any more detail
- BulliesPhan87


Is that because the detail isn't available, or it is available but they just can't find it?


MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 29 @ 2:49 PM ET
When did I say I wanted them to trade for Boychuk? It was just an example.
- Tomahawk



When did I say that you did want to trade For Boychuk? It was a simple and reasonable question.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jun 29 @ 2:49 PM ET
This whole Richards thing is pretty poopty considering they are not exercising this same "void of contract" thing with Voynov who is facing felony domestic abuse charges.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 29 @ 2:49 PM ET
you got a big mouth but im glad you can hide behind a computer screen either way its a FACT that tomahawk backed up my opinion, and you agreed with it, but then wanna argue with me. who's the little child now?
- JoeRussomanno



So lets recap:

I disagree with you that Striet was a bad signing, something you claim as fact. And I agree with the other post that the Flyers need to get away from the "ooh shiny" mentality. You say that is somehow contradictory.

Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jun 29 @ 2:49 PM ET
Tim Riday ‏@TimRiday 2m2 minutes ago

June 30, 2015. Ron Hextall terminates the contracts of Lecavalier, Umberger and MacDonald for "material breach of their contracts."
1 retweet 0 favorites

Dustin Leed ‏@D_LEED 4m4 minutes ago

Slava Voynov and Jarret Stoll in LA, but it's Mike Richards contract that is terminated because of a "breach". Seems fishy to say the least.
benjichronic
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 09.22.2014

Jun 29 @ 2:50 PM ET
dont hide behind your computer though.
- jak521






Sorry, here I am.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 29 @ 2:50 PM ET
Yup.

I'd be surprised if they tried to do this on the basis of being out of shape. That precedent would cause Don Fehr to come out of the woodwork.

- johndewar


I'm no lawyer, but the worst I've seen a team be able to do to a player who is deemed to be unfit is suspend them, or send them on extended conditioning assignments, not terminate a contract.

Somebody's going to find out soon enough, but I have a feeling that the Kings threw a Hail Mary out there and found out something that they are going to argue is actionable

For them to go straight to contract termination, not suspension...woof
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 29 @ 2:51 PM ET
So lets recap:

I disagree with you that Striet was a bad signing, something you claim as fact. And I agree with the other post that the Flyers need to get away from the "ooh shiny" mentality. You say that is somehow contradictory.

- MBFlyerfan

ill respond to that if we can agree to not call names, like children.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 29 @ 2:51 PM ET
Well right now we are at the point of Deal Streit or Deal MDZ. Doesnt look like we can have both
- xShoot4WarAmpsx



Why not? They have the cap space to have both.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 29 @ 2:51 PM ET
I dont know the players rights in the CBA, but lack of conditioning seems like a weak excuse to void a contract. Things like criminal violations, repetitive drug and alcohol abuse (after treatments) and stuff like that I could understand.. but I still think it should have to go through some sort of tribunal.
- jak521


But wife beating doesn't warrant termination?

Whatever it is it sure does seem that cap relief is the primary motive.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jun 29 @ 2:52 PM ET
Tim Riday ‏@TimRiday 2m2 minutes ago

June 30, 2015. Ron Hextall terminates the contracts of Lecavalier, Umberger and MacDonald for "material breach of their contracts."
1 retweet 0 favorites

Dustin Leed ‏@D_LEED 4m4 minutes ago

Slava Voynov and Jarret Stoll in LA, but it's Mike Richards contract that is terminated because of a "breach". Seems fishy to say the least.

- Winning

WHATTTTTT?!?!?!
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 29 @ 2:52 PM ET
So Voynov beats the poop out of his wife, and Stoll gets caught with blow and Molly in Vegas, but the Kings can terminate Richards' deal?

Me thinks there's going to be a grievance filed by the NHLPA
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 29 @ 2:52 PM ET
http://kings.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=772865

LOS ANGELES -- The Los Angeles Kings have terminated the contract of forward Mike Richards, the club announced today.

The club has issued the following statement and will not comment any further at this time:

“The Los Angeles Kings today have exercised the team's right to terminate the contract of Mike Richards for a material breach of the requirements of his Standard Player's Contract. We are not prepared to provide any more detail or to discuss the underlying grounds for the contract termination at this time.”





So, uh, is this different from a buyout then?

- BulliesPhan87


Yes, it is.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 29 @ 2:52 PM ET
ill respond to that if we can agree to not call names, like children.
- JoeRussomanno



Agreed
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jun 29 @ 2:53 PM ET
First, from a bunch of the reports I have read,most of the GMs in the NHL didn't know he was available. And even if we didn't have Streits contract, we didn't have the assets that Boston was looking for, I don't think. they were trying to get into that 3 hole to get Hannifen.

I think Homer's greatest failing was overvaluing what he had and then bad circumstance as well.
Isn't there a decent chance that with a healthy Kimo they make the play offs last year?
And look at it this way, there is an excellent chance that Streit gets moved at the TDL. so there is an asset obtained that you wouldn't have had if Streit wasn't signed.

- nails

By two o'clock Friday I knew that Hamilton was available. If an NHL GM didn't know he probably should have his job taken away.

The Bruins wanted to make sure they bettered any offer sheet that was made so they needed better than a 1st, a 2nd and a 3rd. Not sure what they wanted from AZ but I know that they didn't offer any of their 3 firsts in the deal. My guess is Sweeney overplayed his hand trying to get the 3rd overall for Hamilton and getting more picks besides. Whatever the plan was, I don't think they came out with nearly the return they wanted.

The Flyers would have had to pony up Sanheim plus for Hamilton. I hope the Flyers walk away from that.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 29 @ 2:53 PM ET
Richards has a drug problem it sounds
- Winning



That's wild speculation.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 29 @ 2:54 PM ET
So Voynov beats the poop out of his wife, and Stoll gets caught with blow and Molly in Vegas, but the Kings can terminate Richards' deal?

Me thinks there's going to be a grievance filed by the NHLPA

- Jsaquella


Lombardi's not stupid -- they know that a grievance has to be coming

They have something on him. Don't know what, but they're going to allege something specific
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jun 29 @ 2:55 PM ET
That's wild speculation.
- MJL

Plus, i could be wrong, but legally don't they have to offer him rehabilitation before they could terminate him? Could be wrong.
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