I didn't mean in a hockey sense, I meant more as a cap issue. But, yeah, for the upcoming season, they could easily fit both under the cap.

Worst case, if they keep Gagner and he can't earn and/or keep a spot in the top 9, you try and deal him during the season. There will be some team wracked with injuries that will be willing to take a guy like him on an expiring contract.
- BiggE

The cap is what it is. They can fit both, and if Hexy has a move planned, they might both be goners. If he's just kicking tires and doesn't want to give a Frolik or Belesky $5mm a year, he might keep both. What is using cap up in a non-contending year anyhow?

By all accounts Hextall had a solid draft, getting a top 15 talent at # 24, as well as landing Provorov. He stocked the goaltending pipeline too. I liked the Grossmann trade. Creating some off season cap space. Maybe he's got some more tricks up his sleeve for Wednesday.
- PLindbergh31

It's clear he's got a plan that spans further than the next 12 mos... didn't always feel like that under the last regime.

(frank) yeah... I feel really bad about pooing on that poster who suggested dumping one of our sloths and Pronger to the 'Yotes that morning... still can't believe Hexy got Maloney to go for it.
- Tomahawk

It's your own fault for being so damn disagreeable

Hextall was here, but it's really impossible to ascertain his level of involvement. With the draft, it is widely reported that Clarke basically allowed Holmgren to run and coordinate the drafts & had minimal involvement.
- Jsaquella

regardless of how you feel about amac as a player, I hate giving up those picks for him as a rental if they were planning a big UFA offer

I guess you can argue the team had a valuable preview of him with the team but I hate the way it went down. keep the picks and then go after him if that was the plan

I am hoping amac turns things around, I think he could still be a decent NHL D guy for them, contract issues of dollars and length taken out of the equation

That was me.
- Jsaquella

yup, I was the guy 30 miles to the north chanting

ONE MORE SCOTCH! ONE MORE SCOTCH! ONE MORE SCOTCH!

The cap is what it is. They can fit both, and if Hexy has a move planned, they might both be goners. If he's just kicking tires and doesn't want to give a Frolik or Belesky $5mm a year, he might keep both. What is using cap up in a non-contending year anyhow?
- Jsaquella

True

regardless of how you feel about amac as a player, I hate giving up those picks for him as a rental if they were planning a big UFA offer

I guess you can argue the team had a valuable preview of him with the team but I hate the way it went down. keep the picks and then go after him if that was the plan

I am hoping amac turns things around, I think he could still be a decent NHL D guy for them, contract issues of dollars and length taken out of the equation
- Marc D

I think he is a decent NHL guy, I just think the money and term are too high for what he brings. If Amac had Grossmann's salary or Schultz's, I'd be fine with him.

regardless of how you feel about amac as a player, I hate giving up those picks for him as a rental if they were planning a big UFA offer

I guess you can argue the team had a valuable preview of him with the team but I hate the way it went down. keep the picks and then go after him if that was the plan

I am hoping amac turns things around, I think he could still be a decent NHL D guy for them, contract issues of dollars and length taken out of the equation
- Marc D

He's not a bad player, he's a perfectly average dman. He's just overpaid for what he brings to the team. If the deal had been 4 years, 16 million, I'd be fine with it.

I think he is a decent NHL guy, I just think the money and term are too high for what he brings. If Amac had Grossmann's salary or Schultz's, I'd be fine with him.
- Jsaquella

Dammit man, get out of my head!!!

OK, Bob McKenzie confirmed Hodgson & Stalberg on unconditional waivers for buyouts and Richards, Parenteau & Fistric all cleared.

I thought another big factor was CHI bottom six fwds were better than ours. I'm just going by memory, but I remember feeling like they just came at us in waves. Ladd, Buff, Versteeg, Bolland etc.
- kellyblaise7

They were easily one of the most talented Cup winners in the last 20 years, I felt

OK, Bob McKenzie confirmed Hodgson & Stalberg on unconditional waivers for buyouts and Richards, Parenteau & Fistric all cleared.
- Jsaquella

Richards is going to be a star in the Malibu Beach league.

I think he is a decent NHL guy, I just think the money and term are too high for what he brings. If Amac had Grossmann's salary or Schultz's, I'd be fine with him.
- Jsaquella

yup

I am even OK with him at his current deal (given he was ufa when signed) if he can pick up his game a bit this year with the new coach

It just burns me to give him what was a top $ deal and waste the two picks

Yup
Of the 3, the only one I disagree with a bit is Schultz. I thought he played pretty well last year and at 2.25 million, he's one of the vets I'd keep around to help break in the kids.
- BiggE

I agree, re-signing Schultz was a no brainer. Easy call.

OK, Bob McKenzie confirmed Hodgson & Stalberg on unconditional waivers for buyouts and Richards, Parenteau & Fistric all cleared.
- Jsaquella

Parenteau for a minimum 1m 1 yr deal is something to consider

2nd PP being a shambles and shootout sucking are my reasons here

yup

I am even OK with him at his current deal (given he was ufa when signed) if he can pick up his game a bit this year with the new coach

It just burns me to give him what was a top $ deal and waste the two picks
- Marc D

I would have rather the Flyers stood pat at that deadline(OK still deal Meszaros), and then pursue Stralman as a UFA. That's not just hindsight, either. I wanted Stralman back then.

Parenteau for a minimum 1m 1 yr deal is something to consider

2nd PP being a shambles and shootout sucking are my reasons here
- Marc D

Gagner can fill those holes and they already have him. Maybe if Parenteau is OK with a cheap short deal...

They were easily one of the most talented Cup winners in the last 20 years, I felt
- AllInForFlyers

Yep! They were and still are nasty team talent-wise.

Back when he was going to be an impending UFA, I brought up the idea of the Flyers going after Stralman multiple times, as I thought it was a good idea. It was widely rejected by the majority in this forum.

well the only youngster they traded in the years since that draft was jvr so you maybe erroneous in your thought process, sir.
- JoeRussomanno

I stand corrected on the recent draft history.

I just remember the flyers passing up on John Carlson because they needed a defenseman right freaking now so they traded the pick for Steve Eminger.

It allowed the Capitals to trade away a failed defenseman they didn't want for a future star defenseman because the Flyers needed a defenseman immediately if not sooner.

That was one of the worst Holmgren trades that rarely get's mentioned.

I'm not saying he didn't make some good trades. Coburn for Zhitnik was one of his best. Trading for Zhitnik in the first place was another bad trade. If he hadn't been able to flip him to a desperate GM who then got canned and Zhitnik bought out, think how much worse the Flyers D would've been the last couple of years?

Gagner can fill those holes and they already have him. Maybe if Parenteau is OK with a cheap short deal...
- Jsaquella

I know Hextall said that their Pro Player meetings were today and he could still get waived tomorrow, but I do believe that Gagner surviving today's waiver deadline is a positive for him -- like everyone else, I don't think he is any kind of savior whatsoever, but on the one year he has left on his deal, I'd be curious if he can bring an element to the team that they've lacked

I mean, let's look at it this way: The last few guys they've brought in on "prove it" deals have been pretty freaking good for them

I know Hextall said that their Pro Player meetings were today and he could still get waived tomorrow, but I do believe that Gagner surviving today's waiver deadline is a positive for him -- like everyone else, I don't think he is any kind of savior whatsoever, but on the one year he has left on his deal, I'd be curious if he can bring an element to the team that they've lacked

I mean, let's look at it this way: The last few guys they've brought in on "prove it" deals have been pretty freaking good for them
- AllInForFlyers

He could be waived, but I'd rather keep him, unless Hextall has a specific guy in mind and needs space to do it. It's an easy, one year commitment, and if he sucks, he's gone

I stand corrected on the recent draft history.

I just remember the flyers passing up on John Carlson because they needed a defenseman right freaking now so they traded the pick for Steve Eminger.

It allowed the Capitals to trade away a failed defenseman they didn't want for a future star defenseman because the Flyers needed a defenseman immediately if not sooner.

That was one of the worst Holmgren trades that rarely get's mentioned.

I'm not saying he didn't make some good trades. Coburn for Zhitnik was one of his best. Trading for Zhitnik in the first place was another bad trade. If he hadn't been able to flip him to a desperate GM who then got canned and Zhitnik bought out, think how much worse the Flyers D would've been the last couple of years?
- Flyers_01

The trade of a first round pick for Eminger got mentioned and talked about a ton. I don't recall many liking that deal right out of the gate, including myself. I still don't know what he was thinking with that deal.

As far as the Zhitnik point. Big ifs. Judge him on what actually happened.

I stand corrected on the recent draft history.

I just remember the flyers passing up on John Carlson because they needed a defenseman right freaking now so they traded the pick for Steve Eminger.

It allowed the Capitals to trade away a failed defenseman they didn't want for a future star defenseman because the Flyers needed a defenseman immediately if not sooner.

That was one of the worst Holmgren trades that rarely get's mentioned.

I'm not saying he didn't make some good trades. Coburn for Zhitnik was one of his best. Trading for Zhitnik in the first place was another bad trade. If he hadn't been able to flip him to a desperate GM who then got canned and Zhitnik bought out, think how much worse the Flyers D would've been the last couple of years?
- Flyers_01

It probably would have been great. We would have had a chance at Hedman, Jones, Doughty, etc

Back when he was going to be an impending UFA, I brought up the idea of the Flyers going after Stralman multiple times, as I thought it was a good idea. It was widely rejected by the majority in this forum.
- MJL

Bravo