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Forums :: Blog World :: Carol Schram: Vancouver Canucks: More Fallout on the Kevin Bieksa Non-Trade
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whosyodaddy
Vancouver Canucks
Location: well that was fun
Joined: 08.06.2011

Jun 29 @ 12:54 AM ET
Booner is easily one of the top Canuck posters on this site, he rubs some people the wrong way but at least he's not posting about waiving Kevin Bieksa or trying to trade Jensen, Higgins and a 1st for Ryan Johansen type of ideas.

And this is coming from someone who's gotten into a heated argument with him before.

- EagleNuck




Where do those come from ?
EagleNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.26.2014

Jun 29 @ 12:55 AM ET
Why? He's going to have a bounce back season? Isn't it more likely he will regress even further as he ages?
- bloatedmosquito

There's reasons to believe that keeping him until the TDL makes some sense:

1) Can help mentor Corrado/Clendening

2) Play him with Hamhuis or basically anyone not named Sbisa and he'll be better. Whoever plays with Sbisa will look worse than they are. He's arguably not even NHL-worthy

3) He has a track record of playing well during contract years. This is his last chance to get a good 3/4 year contract.

4) Vets are worth more at the TDL while picks are worth more at the draft. Kimmo Timonen was traded for a 2nd and 3rd despite being almost done in the NHL.


That all being said, if he got traded for a 2nd rounder tomorrow I would consider that to be a fair return.
allsports
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.17.2015

Jun 29 @ 12:56 AM ET
I believe this has been touched on before, but obviously JB took a gamble in keeping the pieces that got us into the playoffs...if we had made a little noise and Matthias played well, he might've been re-upped.

As we know, this didn't happen and he was let go.

Trading assets now is a different scenario in my opinion.

I still think we'll mobe KB3 and maybe a fwd as team's roster needs become apparent after the dust settles from free agency frenzy.

I see us having some growing pains, introducing young players and selling some assets at the TDL.

- dbot


Yeah, but we all knew that Mathias wasn't the type of player to go to the hard areas and usually those guys don't do well in the playoffs. He wasn't significant in the Calgary series, and that doesn't mean that another team won't pay him mega bucks to try to get him to do that though, they will. I just believe JB should've traded him for a 2nd round pick and then we wouldn't be talking about Brock Boeser as our upside forward in the draft.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: The Clit Whisperer
Joined: 10.22.2011

Jun 29 @ 12:58 AM ET
Because D always go high at the deadline. Just two years ago Douglas Murray fetched 2 2nds. There's no reason to thing Bieksa can't fetch one.
- whosyodaddy


He could but I'm not very optimistic about anything canuck these days. Like all fans we overvalued our 'team' guys.
EagleNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.26.2014

Jun 29 @ 12:59 AM ET
Maybe he'll take you out fishing one day...
- bloatedmosquito

He already has:





Btw I consider you to be a good poster as well since you meet my criteria of not throwing out stupid and/or unrealistic ideas and getting pissed when laughed at for them.
whosyodaddy
Vancouver Canucks
Location: well that was fun
Joined: 08.06.2011

Jun 29 @ 12:59 AM ET
He could but I'm not very optimistic about anything canuck these days. Like all fans we overvalued our 'team' guys.
- bloatedmosquito


Bieksa is one of the only guys that other fan bases seem to value more than us. Regardless, if it's a sellers deadline we could have a good year with Bieksa and Vrbata.
whosyodaddy
Vancouver Canucks
Location: well that was fun
Joined: 08.06.2011

Jun 29 @ 1:01 AM ET
He already has:



Btw I consider you to be a good poster as well since you meet my criteria of not throwing out stupid and/or unrealistic ideas and getting pissed when laughed at for them.

- EagleNuck


You're on a roll.

A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jun 29 @ 1:05 AM ET
There's reasons to believe that keeping him until the TDL makes some sense:

1) Can help mentor Corrado/Clendening

2) Play him with Hamhuis or basically anyone not named Sbisa and he'll be better. Whoever plays with Sbisa will look worse than they are. He's arguably not even NHL-worthy

3) He has a track record of playing well during contract years. This is his last chance to get a good 3/4 year contract.

4) Vets are worth more at the TDL while picks are worth more at the draft. Kimmo Timonen was traded for a 2nd and 3rd despite being almost done in the NHL.


That all being said, if he got traded for a 2nd rounder tomorrow I would consider that to be a fair return.

- EagleNuck

If we only had 2 Tanevs
EagleNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.26.2014

Jun 29 @ 1:06 AM ET
If we only had 2 Tanevs
- A_SteamingLombardi

Some people would hate that.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jun 29 @ 1:07 AM ET
Bieksa is one of the only guys that other fan bases seem to value more than us. Regardless, if it's a sellers deadline we could have a good year with Bieksa and Vrbata.
- whosyodaddy

You can thank Cherry for that.
whosyodaddy
Vancouver Canucks
Location: well that was fun
Joined: 08.06.2011

Jun 29 @ 1:08 AM ET
If we only had 2 Tanevs
- A_SteamingLombardi


Vanilla is sometimes good, never great.

Nobody ever gets excited about vanilla.

Not exciting enough, doesn't hit, doesn't score.

Just plays good defence.
EagleNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.26.2014

Jun 29 @ 1:09 AM ET
You're on a roll.
- whosyodaddy

Zogg
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jun 29 @ 1:11 AM ET
Vanilla is sometimes good, never great.

Nobody ever gets excited about vanilla.

Not exciting enough, doesn't hit, doesn't score.

Just plays good defence.

- whosyodaddy


channeling Vantel?
Canuckleafer
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.18.2013

Jun 29 @ 1:12 AM ET
I think they already traded Marincin, so a 2nd it is

Or Marincin moving was another rumour or proposal.

- hillbillydeluxe


Not a rumour, he was traded to the Leafs.
whosyodaddy
Vancouver Canucks
Location: well that was fun
Joined: 08.06.2011

Jun 29 @ 1:12 AM ET
channeling Vantel?
- Zogg



Kellan Lain for 1C
CubanBuffet
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whine Country
Joined: 08.29.2014

Jun 29 @ 1:13 AM ET
Vanilla is sometimes good, never great.

Nobody ever gets excited about vanilla.

Not exciting enough, doesn't hit, doesn't score.

Just plays good defence.

- whosyodaddy


That's plagiarism!
Zogg
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jun 29 @ 1:13 AM ET


Kellan Lain for 1C

- whosyodaddy


whosyodaddy
Vancouver Canucks
Location: well that was fun
Joined: 08.06.2011

Jun 29 @ 1:15 AM ET
That's plagiarism!
- CubanBuffet


SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Jun 29 @ 1:16 AM ET
Our GM is a scouting guru, the rest...not quite sure yet bud.
- VanHockeyGuy


Ya dont let JB near contracts, he'll give guys the farm. Id rather have a communal system of management. One guy does contracts, another trades, another scouts. Then you grt a guy that fits that job precisely and not expecting 1 guy to be stellar at it all which is unrealistic. Instead of gm changes you remove the part you arent happy with.
Scooby_Doo
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Somewhere close to Vancouver., BC
Joined: 06.10.2009

Jun 29 @ 1:17 AM ET
FYI Gentleman,

That Gay Pornfest last night resulted in bans to approximately 12 people from the EDM forum. Hopefully the length of the ban is appropriate.

- VanHockeyGuy


Oilers fans are some of the weirdest dudes you'll meet. Reveen belongs in a rubber room.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: The Clit Whisperer
Joined: 10.22.2011

Jun 29 @ 1:24 AM ET
Oilers fans are some of the weirdest dudes you'll meet. Reveen belongs in a rubber room.
- Scooby_Doo


That's the effect Kevin Lowe has on people. He's driven oil fans insane.
pker2theend
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pamela Anderson Lee released a
Joined: 11.29.2011

Jun 29 @ 1:26 AM ET
He already has:





Btw I consider you to be a good poster as well since you meet my criteria of not throwing out stupid and/or unrealistic ideas and getting pissed when laughed at for them.

- EagleNuck

Sedins for malkin
rugdnit
Location: Flagged and Ignored, CA
Joined: 11.29.2006

Jun 29 @ 1:29 AM ET
I'd wait until the deadline, the value will rise.
- whosyodaddy


If a team like Chicago can overpay with 2 picks for a guy like Timonnen ...

Absolutely. Teams taking a run at a cup will likely overpay at the deadline. Best to wait until then.

Problem is once the cat is out of the bag... It's best to move him quickly.

We seen his best when he is interested. A disinterested Bieksa would likely drive his value down.
AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jun 29 @ 1:31 AM ET
Oilers fans are some of the weirdest dudes you'll meet. Reveen belongs in a rubber room.
- Scooby_Doo


AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jun 29 @ 1:33 AM ET
If a team like Chicago can overpay with 2 picks for a guy like Timonnen ...

Absolutely. Teams taking a run at a cup will likely overpay at the deadline. Best to wait until then.

Problem is once the cat is out of the bag... It's best to move him quickly.

We seen his best when he is interested. A disinterested Bieksa would likely drive his value down.

- rugdnit


Agree with this. It can turn into a circus pretty quick and the season will turn into the KB3 farewell tour.
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