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RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Jun 28 @ 10:17 PM ET
You haven't surpassed the Canucks until you finish higher in the standings for multiple years (or win the cup again). Even with McJesus you still have a long road ahead.
- docmorgan


well for starters I didnt even bring Mcdavid into this one player doesnt win cups....secondly I didnt suggest we have surpassed the nucks because there was a reason we drafted #1.....also since its a what have you done for me lately league IF and thats a big IF we finished ahead of you guys for a couple of seasons there wont be many out there that would argue that we have "surpassed" them....lastly dont even bring cups into the conversation until you guys win one and im not trying to start a war but why even bring cups into this or tell us we need to win one to surpass you?
docmorgan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: stall, Crosby, perry Giroux, T, BC
Joined: 01.06.2011

Jun 28 @ 10:20 PM ET
not yet
- whosyodaddy

vancity787
Vancouver Canucks
Location: My Parents Basement, BC
Joined: 07.14.2008

Jun 28 @ 10:20 PM ET
well for starters I didnt even bring Mcdavid into this one player doesnt win cups....secondly I didnt suggest we have surpassed the nucks because there was a reason we drafted #1.....also since its a what have you done for me lately league IF and thats a big IF we finished ahead of you guys for a couple of seasons there wont be many out there that would argue that we have "surpassed" them....lastly dont even bring cups into the conversation until you guys win one and im not trying to start a war but why even bring cups into this or tell us we need to win one to surpass you?
- RatedR80

Thanks for coming out.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jun 28 @ 10:21 PM ET
well for starters I didnt even bring Mcdavid into this one player doesnt win cups....secondly I didnt suggest we have surpassed the nucks because there was a reason we drafted #1.....also since its a what have you done for me lately league IF and thats a big IF we finished ahead of you guys for a couple of seasons there wont be many out there that would argue that we have "surpassed" them....lastly dont even bring cups into the conversation until you guys win one and im not trying to start a war but why even bring cups into this or tell us we need to win one to surpass you?
- RatedR80


One thing which is undisputable is EDM (trending upwards) VAN...
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jun 28 @ 10:22 PM ET
See what you've done Benning the world is coming to an end.
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Jun 28 @ 10:23 PM ET
One thing which is undisputable is EDM (trending upwards) VAN...
- VanHockeyGuy


Im not even saying that I dunno if you guys noticed or not but even as an Oilers fan I didnt come here bashing your team lol I got engaged in a hockey convo involving the two teams which is possible to do js.....as far as us trending up until we get some help on defense we wont trend anywhere
rugdnit
Location: Flagged and Ignored, CA
Joined: 11.29.2006

Jun 28 @ 10:23 PM ET
You haven't surpassed the Canucks until you finish higher in the standings for multiple years (or win the cup again). Even with McJesus you still have a long road ahead.
- docmorgan


Technically not yet, but I think they are on the way.

Until the Canucks address that D Core correctly I feel like we are not even admitting we have a problem.

The next 4-5 years are going to be painful for us.

I hope I am wrong, but that's my honest opinion

.
docmorgan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: stall, Crosby, perry Giroux, T, BC
Joined: 01.06.2011

Jun 28 @ 10:26 PM ET
You can't "surpass the Canucks" until games have been played. The only thing you have surpassed them at for the last 10 years is getting top 3 draft picks.
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Jun 28 @ 10:27 PM ET
You can't "surpass the Canucks" until games have been played. The only thing you have surpassed them at for the last 10 years is getting top 3 draft picks.
- docmorgan


You need to re read this whole deal coz if anyone has been saying that its been CANUCK FANS in fact ive been downplaying it
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jun 28 @ 10:28 PM ET
Im not even saying that I dunno if you guys noticed or not but even as an Oilers fan I didnt come here bashing your team lol I got engaged in a hockey convo involving the two teams which is possible to do js.....as far as us trending up until we get some help on defense we wont trend anywhere
- RatedR80


It's always cool to hear from other teams fans. Opinion welcome. Chiarelli is not done with EDM yet, I still peg them to bump VAN out of the last playoff spot.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jun 28 @ 10:29 PM ET
You can't "surpass the Canucks" until games have been played. The only thing you have surpassed them at for the last 10 years is getting top 3 draft picks.
- docmorgan


What?
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jun 28 @ 10:29 PM ET
Im not even saying that I dunno if you guys noticed or not but even as an Oilers fan I didnt come here bashing your team lol I got engaged in a hockey convo involving the two teams which is possible to do js.....as far as us trending up until we get some help on defense we wont trend anywhere
- RatedR80

We aren't bashing the oilers man. Just said you still have some holes on crucial parts of your roster.
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Jun 28 @ 10:30 PM ET
It's always cool to hear from other teams fans. Opinion welcome. Chiarelli is not done with EDM yet, I still peg them to bump VAN out of the last playoff spot.
- VanHockeyGuy


Thats cool but as I said in our blog (well before it got deleted and many got banned) ill be happy as heck if we are even in the conversation after the break lol
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Jun 28 @ 10:30 PM ET
Technically not yet, but I think they are on the way.

Until the Canucks address that D Core correctly I feel like we are not even admitting we have a problem.

The next 4-5 years are going to be painful for us.

I hope I am wrong, but that's my honest opinion

.

- rugdnit


I wouldn't be against trading Edler but we don't have a top pairing player to replace him.

These top pairing guys are difficult to come by yet I think Edler's back is fecked up and wouldn't be surprised if he has more issues.

Certainly no easy fixes to our d situation unless you could trade Vrbata for a future top dman. But I guess we did just draft a couple d right?
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Jun 28 @ 10:31 PM ET
We aren't bashing the oilers man. Just said you still have some holes on crucial parts of your roster.
- manvanfan


Oh I know I just think one of you guys took what I was saying the wrong way which provoked a response from me and I agree 1000000000% that we have holes no doubt
docmorgan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: stall, Crosby, perry Giroux, T, BC
Joined: 01.06.2011

Jun 28 @ 10:33 PM ET
Technically not yet, but I think they are on the way.

Until the Canucks address that D Core correctly I feel like we are not even admitting we have a problem.

The next 4-5 years are going to be painful for us.

I hope I am wrong, but that's my honest opinion

.

- rugdnit

Sure they're on their way but to talk about surpassing a team before the season has even started is ridiculous - and I know he didn't say they have. I'm personally fed up with Oilers fans - I have a number of friends who refer to them as a "real team". It's almost to the point were talking about cup wins so long ago in the non salary cap era is almost as futile as the laffs fans talking about theirs.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jun 28 @ 10:33 PM ET
Technically not yet, but I think they are on the way.

Until the Canucks address that D Core correctly I feel like we are not even admitting we have a problem.

The next 4-5 years are going to be painful for us.

I hope I am wrong, but that's my honest opinion

.

- rugdnit

Anaheim and calgary have the best D in our division. LA if doughty gets some help. Then probably canucks are still ahead of the oilers.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jun 28 @ 10:35 PM ET
Oh I know I just think one of you guys took what I was saying the wrong way which provoked a response from me and I agree 1000000000% that we have holes no doubt
- RatedR80

It's just guys buggin sometimes. I'm sure we are all jealous at heart, that you got a generational player like mcjesus. I still wouldn't be an Oilers fan ever but I'd like someone like mcjesus.
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Jun 28 @ 10:37 PM ET
It's just guys buggin sometimes. I'm sure we are all jealous at heart, that you got a generational player like mcjesus. I still wouldn't be an Oilers fan ever but I'd like someone like mcjesus.
- manvanfan


Lol well yes I wont lie getting him was awesome but sitting through a decade rebuild to do it I dunno but maybe thats the fans reward for suffering through the whole deal
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Jun 28 @ 10:37 PM ET
He will have to produce like he did last year though. Otherwise JB will look like poop again. Leave us all disappointed once again.
- manvanfan


I guess that depends on your perspective. Even if Vbada looks like poop, he can get a return. So a draft pick or prospect and a 30 goal season looks good for a two year free agent signing on good market value. When was the last time that happened? Vrbada has to produce a list upon request so I have my fingers crossed.


whosyodaddy
Vancouver Canucks
Location: well that was fun
Joined: 08.06.2011

Jun 28 @ 10:38 PM ET
Is Vrbata still here?
- hillbillydeluxe


Vrbata was a 2 year deal. When they're older, it's the expiring year that counts.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jun 28 @ 10:38 PM ET
I wouldn't be against trading Edler but we don't have a top pairing player to replace him.

These top pairing guys are difficult to come by yet I think Edler's back is fecked up and wouldn't be surprised if he has more issues.

Certainly no easy fixes to our d situation unless you could trade Vrbata for a future top dman. But I guess we did just draft a couple d right?

- hillbillydeluxe

Needed to realize the cup chances were gone and the ageing core needs to be moved for more picks. When is the last time we traded someone for a first rounder. Not in the past 15 years I don't think.

Oh (frank) forgot about Schneider
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Jun 28 @ 10:39 PM ET
What would you guys think about maybe kicking the tires on a guy like Sharp?
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jun 28 @ 10:40 PM ET
Lol well yes I wont lie getting him was awesome but sitting through a decade rebuild to do it I dunno but maybe thats the fans reward for suffering through the whole deal
- RatedR80

Firing GM and scouts would have been a decent idea. Yeah been a poop decade, not sure I could stay a fan if that happened tbh. I don't like trying to lose.
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Jun 28 @ 10:42 PM ET
Firing GM and scouts would have been a decent idea. Yeah been a poop decade, not sure I could stay a fan if that happened tbh. I don't like trying to lose.
- manvanfan


We should have booted the "good old boys" years ago like maybe year 4-5 in the rebuild
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