I don't take it as you bagging on him at all. It really is just a difference in forecasting. I see Ennis as a guy that will slot in nicely on my second line and provide nice scoring at a reasonable salary. I don't see Nash as a top-line winger on a cup team.
- Slump Buster

That's the thing. I'd still take Nash as my 2nd line winger over Ennis any day of the week. Nash is a pure goal scorer, plain and simple. Tyler Ennis is a good player. The reason Nash gets paid like he does is because he's worth it.

Look, I don't want to bag on the guy, but Tyler Ennis has 7 seasons under his belt, and is an undersized player with a career high of 21 goals. It's quite a lofty goal to expect him to score 30 consistently, even with a better supporting cast.
- buffalofan19

i dont think its quite a lofty goal honestly. Ennis will be playing with an actual line of players that belong in a top 6. I don't expect ennis to suddenly be a top 20 scorer but I do expect him to be 2nd or 3rd on this team this season. I think some people here underrate ennis. I cant wait to watch him this season play with ror, kane, eichel.

How is it irrelevant? His contract is actually worth more in actual dollars than Nash's... In today's NHL Hossa never signs for 5 mil a year.

Same with Keith
- sbroads24

The value is the value. It doesn't matter how they got there. Would the Hawks take Hossa at 5 (I think his cap hit is actually less) or Nash at 7.8? I know what my answer is.

That's the thing. I'd still take Nash as my 2nd line winger over Ennis any day of the week. Nash is a pure goal scorer, plain and simple. Tyler Ennis is a good player. The reason Nash gets paid like he does is because he's worth it.
- buffalofan19

I can't think of many if any teams that Rick Nash isn't one of the three best forwards deployed every night

Ok so even though Ennis was only 45 pts behind Nash during their first 5 seasons, has almost Double the Cap, Ennis plays Wing or Center, Tenacity, and was thee leading scorer on one of the LOWEST scoring teams in NHL history. None of these factors seem to matter to anyone.

Do you not think Tyler Ennis would have Scored more points if he had been on that Rangers Team than he did on this Sabres Team?? Come on take of the Goggles
- MEBSabresFAN

When you use real math its 73 points, but close

Nash

276pts / 363gms

Ennis

203pts / 335gms

That's the thing. I'd still take Nash as my 2nd line winger over Ennis any day of the week. Nash is a pure goal scorer, plain and simple. Tyler Ennis is a good player. The reason Nash gets paid like he does is because he's worth it.
- buffalofan19

1) You don't pay a 2nd line winger 7.8

2) He doesn't fit our schedule

Nash's contract ends at the right time (when eichel/reinhart/kane are up.)


It's ambitious but i think they should try and go for it while their soon to be #1C is still on his ELC, gives you a lot of flexibility to address needs.

Probably have a good shot in year 3 of his deal, he'll have 2 years under his belt and the other younger players will hopefully be getting better as well.

The value is the value. It doesn't matter how they got there. Would the Hawks take Hossa at 5 (I think his cap hit is actually less) or Nash at 7.8? I know what my answer is.
- Slump Buster

It does matter because they are completely different situations. One signed a 12 year deal, the other signed a 7 year extension.

One player you have to pay more, the other you have to pay until he's 41. I'm pretty sure any GM would take Nash until he's 34 over Hossa until he's 41

When you use real math its 73 points, but close

Nash

276pts / 363gms

Ennis

203pts / 335gms
- Mentalorgasm5

So basically another 150 games of Ennis's production to catch up on points

When you use real math its 73 points, but close

Nash

276pts / 363gms

Ennis

203pts / 335gms
- Mentalorgasm5

Real Math includes the Number of Games they've played

1) You don't pay a 2nd line winger 7.8

2) He doesn't fit our schedule
- Slump Buster

They are about to pay a second line center almost $8 million a year...

It does matter because they are completely different situations. One signed a 12 year deal, the other signed a 7 year extension.

One player you have to pay more, the other you have to pay until he's 41. I'm pretty sure any GM would take Nash until he's 34 over Hossa until he's 41
- sbroads24

That's where we get sidetracked. If we're talking the length of the deal you are absolutely right. If you are talking about this past year then *in context* I would take Hossa.

And *in context of our schedule* I would take Ennis over Nash.

Real Math includes the Number of Games they've played
- MEBSabresFAN

Nope, you said the first 5 seasons, not my fault ennis kept getting hurt

They are about to pay a second line center almost $8 million a year...
- Stripes77

He will be our first line center for several years. We aren't paying the next gen for 4 or 5 years. By that time it will be an average cap hit and he will be in his prime. Nash will be playing for someone else.

That's where we get sidetracked. If we're talking the length of the deal you are absolutely right. If you are talking about this past year then *in context* I would take Hossa.

And *in context of our schedule* I would take Ennis over Nash.
- Slump Buster

This x1000

Real Math includes the Number of Games they've played
- MEBSabresFAN

you think if ennis played 28 games more he'd make up the 70 point gap?

That's where we get sidetracked. If we're talking the length of the deal you are absolutely right. If you are talking about this past year then *in context* I would take Hossa.

And *in context of our schedule* I would take Ennis over Nash.
- Slump Buster

You said value. Term and cap hit each play a part in value.

Nash's value is in term
Hossa is in cap hit

Nash has the better contract. For most teams in the league actually.

Nope, you said the first 5 seasons, not my fault ennis kept getting hurt
- Mentalorgasm5

I included Gms and Pts , but maybe its your eyesight after all that Hockey watching of yours

He will be our first line center for several years. We aren't paying the next gen for 4 or 5 years. By that time it will be an average cap hit and he will be in his prime. Nash will be playing for someone else.
- Slump Buster

And Nash will be the top line winger for the next 3 years.

You said value. Term and cap hit each play a part in value.

Nash's value is in term
Hossa is in cap hit

Nash has the better contract. For most teams in the league actually.
- sbroads24

Not necessarily true but it isn't worth arguing as it is way off of the Ennis/Nash debate. They really are different players with different expectations.

you think if ennis played 28 games more he'd make up the 70 point gap?
- Sabresfan-365

I never said they were EQUAL!


When you include the almost double Salary and AGE Nash doesn't fit our team at this time.

Tim Murray hangs up the phone.

And Nash will be the top line winger for the next 3 years.
- Stripes77

Right - and we most likely wouldn't be cup contenders before year 3 at least. Hence the reason why I would choose Ennis.

And Nash will be the top line winger for the next 3 years.
- Stripes77

Nash is easily better than Evander Kane, even when he's 34, and miles ahead of Ennis or Moulson.

If we had the assets to get him, he'd be my #1 target now outside of a top pair LHD

I included Gms and Pts , but maybe its your eyesight after all that Hockey watching of yours
- MEBSabresFAN

This is actually what you said

Ok so even though Ennis was only 45 pts behind Nash during their first 5 seasons
- MEBSabresFAN

Try remembering next time. As I pointed out, Their first 5 season Nash had 73 more points than Ennis, as I said, its not my fault, Ennis is hurt more often than Nash.

Nash is easily better than Evander Kane, even when he's 34, and miles ahead of Ennis or Moulson.

If we had the assets to get him, he'd be my #1 target now outside of a top pair LHD
- sbroads24

That is insane. We are just starting to rise and should have no interest in a 31 year old winger with 3 years left on his contract.