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Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "F-" Robert, NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jun 28 @ 11:19 PM ET
[quote=Mentalorgasm5]Not sure what his point is, but I definitely rather have Nash on this team than Ennis.

With the adds we have done, if they could trade Ennis, Foligno, a 2nd and a prospect for Nash. I am all in.


Good God........I wouldn't trade Ennis straight up for Nash, let alone give up Foligno and a 2nd

I'm not suggesting that Rich Nash isn't or wasn't a nice strong point producing player.

I would MUCH rather have Ennis at 28 yrs Old PrimeTime than Rich Nash at 33yrs old when we really make a run in two years, shoot maybe we pick him up at Trade Deadline day after we've won the Presidents Trophy and we throw NY a 2nd rounder and say F*&ck You NY we're the Buffalo Sabres and we're going for the CUP!!!

- MEBSabresFAN

Than you dont watch enough hockey.
MEBSabresFAN
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lancaster, NY
Joined: 07.17.2006

Jun 28 @ 11:21 PM ET
A fan can still be objective. Nobody is doubting that right now Nash is better than Ennis. Given age, contract, current status of the team and playoff performance.... I'll take Ennis.
- Slump Buster




THIS
MEBSabresFAN
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lancaster, NY
Joined: 07.17.2006

Jun 28 @ 11:21 PM ET
Than you dont watch enough hockey.
- Mentalorgasm5



Ok Thanks for playing..........
Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "F-" Robert, NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jun 28 @ 11:23 PM ET
Ok Thanks for playing..........
- MEBSabresFAN

You would wouldnt trade Ennis for Nash, you sound like a Bostonian homer with nonsense like that.
MEBSabresFAN
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lancaster, NY
Joined: 07.17.2006

Jun 28 @ 11:24 PM ET
Fans can be, but they are often not. Given contract status I want Nash, he is only on the books for 3 more years. So when comes time to resign Reinhart and Eichel, 7.8 drops off the books. While Ennis is still on for one more year.
- Mentalorgasm5



Psssst.........Nash's contract is alomst DOUBLE Ennis , will Nash Double Ennis scoring over the next 4 years?

No, plesae watch more hockey.....
washedup20
Location: the little apple
Joined: 08.19.2014

Jun 28 @ 11:26 PM ET
Not sure what his point is, but I definitely rather have Nash on this team than Ennis.

With the adds we have done, if they could trade Ennis, Foligno, a 2nd and a prospect for Nash. I am all in.

Buyout Hodgson
Sign Green

Kane O'Reilly Nash
Mouslon Eichel Reinhart
McGinn Larsson Gionta
Deslauriers Legwand McCormick

Ristolainen Pysyk
Green Bogosian
Gorges Weber

Lehner
Johnson

- Mentalorgasm5



No Girgs?
MEBSabresFAN
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lancaster, NY
Joined: 07.17.2006

Jun 28 @ 11:27 PM ET
You would wouldnt trade Ennis for Nash, you sound like a Bostonian homer with nonsense like that.
- Mentalorgasm5


Don't even get me going on "Intangibles" cause Ennis has them in spades, Murray loves this guys tenacity and willingness to go in the greasy areas.

We don't have to be uncivil and call each other names, I'm really not interested in that. If I felt that Nash was worth trading Tyler Ennis I would do it, I am a fan of the Sabres but I've clearly watched more hockey.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jun 28 @ 11:27 PM ET
Psssst.........Nash's contract is alomst DOUBLE Ennis , will Nash Double Ennis scoring over the next 4 years?

No, plesae watch more hockey.....

- MEBSabresFAN


Because doubling points is what you base contracts over?

If that was the case ROR wouldn't be looking at $7 million plus...

Tyler Ennis is a nice player. Rick Nash is an all star...
Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "F-" Robert, NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jun 28 @ 11:27 PM ET
Psssst.........Nash's contract is alomst DOUBLE Ennis , will Nash Double Ennis scoring over the next 4 years?

No, plesae watch more hockey.....

- MEBSabresFAN

Yea thats how people are paid in the NHL....

The more you talk, the bigger of a homer you sound.
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Jun 28 @ 11:28 PM ET
1st Five Seasons

Rick Nash (Hi I'm 31yrs old and cost 7.8 Million and you must give up Tyler Ennis)

39pts/74gms

57pts/80gms

54pts/54gms WOW!

57pts/ 75gms

69pts/ 80gms
276pts / 363gms

Tyler Ennis (Hi I'm Tyler Ennis and I'm 26yrs old, 1st Rd Draft pick, I'm just entering my prime and I led my team in scoring last year without a coach and wingers) I cost 4.6 for the next 4 years!)

49pts/82gms

34pts/48gms

31pts/47gms

43pts/ 80gms

46pts/ 78gms 203pts / 335gms

- MEBSabresFAN


Call me when Ennis scores 40 goals a year
MEBSabresFAN
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lancaster, NY
Joined: 07.17.2006

Jun 28 @ 11:28 PM ET
No Girgs?
- washedup20


Traded to NY with Ennis
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I root for draft picks but not the team, apparently, NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Jun 28 @ 11:28 PM ET
Because doubling points is what you base contracts over?

If that was the case ROR wouldn't be looking at $7 million plus...

Tyler Ennis is a nice player. Rick Nash is an all star...

- Stripes77


That's a fair point but when you add it all together Ennis is a much better value for the money (I think that was the point). Also, you can't ignore the playoff failings of a 31 year old man. He is what he is at that age.
Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "F-" Robert, NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jun 28 @ 11:29 PM ET
Call me when Ennis scores 40 goals a year
- gerbe75pts

Dont wait by the phone
Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "F-" Robert, NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jun 28 @ 11:30 PM ET
Traded to NY with Ennis
- MEBSabresFAN

Yea no one said that, but I understand how you have to make BS up to back your point when you keep talking out your......oh nevermind.
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Jun 28 @ 11:31 PM ET
I can't believe we're debating if Rick Nash is better then Ennis
there should be no debate
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I root for draft picks but not the team, apparently, NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Jun 28 @ 11:32 PM ET
I can't believe we're debating if Rick Nash is better then Ennis
there should be no debate

- gerbe75pts


That isn't the question. The question is does Nash make sense for us right now if Ennis part of the return.



MEBSabresFAN
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lancaster, NY
Joined: 07.17.2006

Jun 28 @ 11:32 PM ET
Because doubling points is what you base contracts over?

If that was the case ROR wouldn't be looking at $7 million plus...

Tyler Ennis is a nice player. Rick Nash is an all star...

- Stripes77



Rich Nash is 31 and declining 7.8 3 years (Hi I can't remember the All-Star game and I'm 34 yrs old)

Tyler Ennis is 26 and rising 4.6 4 years (Hi I just spent the past two years at the All-Star Game I'm 29 yrs old)

We can have different opinions. I truly believe we are better with Ennis going forward at 4yrs 4.6 Than Rick Nash at 7.8
Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "F-" Robert, NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jun 28 @ 11:33 PM ET
Rich Nash is 31 and declining 7.8 3 years (Hi I can't remember the All-Star game and I'm 34 yrs old)

Tyler Ennis is 26 and rising 4.6 4 years (Hi I just spent the past two years at the All-Star Game I'm 29 yrs old)

We can have different opinions. I truly believe we are better with Ennis going forward at 4yrs 4.6 Than Rick Nash at 7.8

- MEBSabresFAN



Yeah no homerism there.
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Jun 28 @ 11:33 PM ET
Do you really think because the draft is in Buffalo next year that would keep GMTM from moving our first next year if it made sense??

That's not how it works JR...

You're not ready...

Besides Legwand gets flipped for a 2nd and he moves back into the first!

- Stripes77


it's a rare occasion we get the draft in Buffalo if you think we're going to give up first and second round picks your crazy

Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jun 28 @ 11:33 PM ET
That's a fair point but when you add it all together Ennis is a much better value for the money (I think that was the point). Also, you can't ignore the playoff failings of a 31 year old man. He is what he is at that age.
- Slump Buster


You mean the guy that scored 42 goals this year only a few short than Ennis had total points??

Look I like Ennis but if Sather came to Murray and said we could have Nash for Ennis straight up and he said no then he needs to re-evaluate his career.
Smittyx36
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bustttt, NY
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 28 @ 11:34 PM ET
I can't believe we're debating if Rick Nash is better then Ennis
there should be no debate

- gerbe75pts

the debates not who is better... Its on is ennis + + worth nash? Ennis is already signed at a great contract and he fits the rebuild perfectly. Not sure how a guy who is gonna be a FA when we are a legit cup contender fits. Sure it will be fun to watch but its not worth it.
MEBSabresFAN
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lancaster, NY
Joined: 07.17.2006

Jun 28 @ 11:34 PM ET
That isn't the question. The question is does Nash make sense for us right now if Ennis part of the return.
- Slump Buster


Thank you, things aren't Black/White, there are shades of grey......

If Rich Nash was 26 yrs old I would trade him for Tyler Ennis and accept the increased Salary. I don't know how more plain I can make it, his age and salary are a part of the equation.
Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

Jun 28 @ 11:35 PM ET
Rich Nash is 31 and declining 7.8 3 years (Hi I can't remember the All-Star game and I'm 34 yrs old)

Tyler Ennis is 26 and rising 4.6 4 years (Hi I just spent the past two years at the All-Star Game I'm 29 yrs old)

We can have different opinions. I truly believe we are better with Ennis going forward at 4yrs 4.6 Than Rick Nash at 7.8

- MEBSabresFAN


Bet a lot of people thought hossa was declining as well. Cap hit is the only thing i'd take ennis over nash.
Smittyx36
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bustttt, NY
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 28 @ 11:36 PM ET
That isn't the question. The question is does Nash make sense for us right now if Ennis part of the return.
- Slump Buster

i think its hard for some to get that. People see ennis for nash and don't take into consideration anything else apparently
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jun 28 @ 11:36 PM ET
it's a rare occasion we get the draft in Buffalo if you think we're going to give up first and second round picks your crazy
- gerbe75pts


You're clearly not ready...

If Murray had a deal to get OEL for next years first and second round pick and he said no cause the draft is in Buffalo he should be fired immediately.
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